A game can absolutely be "guided" a certain way without a blatant, predetermined WWE outcome... not ONE dinver penalty in the entire second half?

Please

If it looks bad, and smells bad... it just might be bad

I get your point. There are different degrees but it's still slants the game. Does it not? Especially if the same considerations aren't given to the other side?

Oh, it still sucks for sure. One's just unintentional (and hard to prevent), while the other is blatant (and can theoretically result in punishment if caught).

Yes,I just said that. Did I just Jedi mind trick you, without even trying?

You are braindead, you make me actually kind of appreciate Knowmo

So denver wins the sb and you come out but hide all the other time. Chicken shit donks fan.

Rigged is such a strong word... It's a game folks!! The NFL is in the entertainment business (it's been litigated for Pete's sake!!), let it go.

We all woke up this morning and the sun rose, so it's a good day! But a better day for Donk fans. We were there just a few months ago, so it's cool..

Most of us have never been there.

Gotcha. I can live with that. I just can't understand how anyone can say that absolutely N-O-T-H-I-N-G ever goes on.

Yeah, I'm a firm believer that bias exists in the league for sure. I just think it's unlikely that the league is literally rigging games with the specific goal of making one team or the other win.

And yet it's only the one team or other that keep winning.
So what, Denver is 3-5 in SBs ? It means they keep getting the playoffs.

I'm not saying it is rigged. However, most of what you posted certainly seems to be true, well, actually, all of it. So, yes, the Broncos D was impressive, and the Broncos won the game with a great D and an anemic offense. Having said that, if there isn't some league intervention, then either the Broncos were the beneficiaries of some really good luck, or some terrible human error in officiating.

In an entertainment league, it's pretty clear that key players probably know how to keep the money flowing well. At the end of the day these owners know what really matters to them.

What you're describing is more favoritism than being rigged. And yes, there is that. Officials are human, and not just in making honest mistakes, but it's impossible to know how much of their misses, and gifts, are true mistakes vs. being star-struck. And it doesn't really matter, they have the entire NFL front office supporting them when the error on the side of stardom.

So there's the key, the Chiefs need more stars. They have some stars, no doubt, but they're missing the ESPN headline-stealing QB still, and that's going to cost them. And I'm not 100% convinced it's all on Alex, it might be be on Andy too.

Either way, for now, we're both a small market team, with an owner that's a virtual nobody in the press, and we suffer some key gaps in QB star power, so we need to work on that.

I think it's pretty obvious that calls are biased and you have to overcome it. Nothing new.

But it's not rigged. It's a $B conspiracy that would be completely impossible to keep under wraps.

A guy like Terrel Owens would have blown the whistle for the attention alone.

how do you know he wasnt paid to act that way?
who the hell keeps a pen in their sock unless he knows he's scoring on prime time tv?
its called acting.

Albuquerque...

Pretty decent read on the game and that 'catch, not a catch' thing with Cotchery. I think it could have gone either way, but here's a close up.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/clu...-super-bowl-50

"We have seen worse efforts ruled complete, and better efforts ruled incomplete. This looks like the nose of the ball is touching the ground, so you could say the ground is helping him secure the catch. Add in some slight movement after he brings it up, and that was probably enough for the officials to stay with the call on the field."

1. The Super Bowl was not rigged.

2. The catch/not a catch was an amazingly close call. It was ruled incomplete on the field, and I didn't see IRREFUTABLE evidence that it was a catch. I saw alot of really close calls and after watchign it several times even I wasn't 100% sure that it was/wasn't a catch. And if you're not 100% sure, you're not suppose to overturn the call.

3. I hate Denver too, but JFC, this place and some people. :rolleyes:

Super Bowl L

..fitting.

Maybe I am not remembering it correctly, but wasn't the result of the replay "call on the field confirmed"? That means they found conclusive evidence that the pass was incomplete.

I don't know if anything was "rigged", but the Broncos got more breaks this year than anyone I can remember. Most wins in games decided by 7 pts or less in history, and in many of those games they got some kind of huge break or many huge breaks. But heck, luck does play a part in the game to a degree, and they had it in spades. Could've easily been 8-8 and missed the playoffs entirely.

However, it is an incredibly apt word.

Yes, that is what he said, but you're misinterpreting what the statement means. They don't need to "find conclusive evidence that the pass was incomplete". They need to find conclusive evidence the OTHER way, or else IT IS CONFIRMED.

There are only two outcomes -- confirmed and overturned. You don't find evidence to confirm. You DO confirm unless you find indisputable evidence to overturn.


http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/...lebook/#rule15

I think you'd agree that I'm one of the more logical ones around here, but I think it's easy for you to roll your eyes when you've rooted for a team like yours rather than ours.

We are a team that has historically valued players who are genuinely good guys and play a role not only on the field, but also in the community. Our team is the best in the league at not getting into trouble for questionable activities, and our players rarely take cheap shots at opposing players, nor do our coaches try to find loopholes in the rules to take advantage of (e.g., Shanahan's last-second timeout before a field goal kick, for example).

It's really tough for us to look at other teams like the Broncos and Patriots who have been punished by the league multiple times for questionable activity and whose players do things like Talib and admit to intentionally trying to hurt guys and see that those teams seem to be the ones that win.

We're a midwestern fanbase that values nice guys, and it's really hard for us to basically be told over and over again that, if our team is ever going to compete, they're going to have to learn to cheat a little.

You sure about that? I'm sure I've heard them announce calls that are not overturned two different ways.

"The call on the field stands"
"The call on the field is confirmed"

The first one meaning that there was not conclusive evidence to overturn.

Yeah, "stands" and "confirmed" are technically different. That said, I believe they called it "stands" in this case.

EDIT: Yep.

(7:23) (Shotgun) 1-C.Newton pass incomplete deep middle to 82-J.Cotchery (26-D.Stewart). Carolina challenged the incomplete pass ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field stands. (Timeout #1 at 07:16.)

Compare that to:

(3:13) 22-C.Anderson up the middle for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Official reviewed the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was Upheld. The ruling on the field was confirmed.

You have a golden boy the league sweeps things under the rug for. Of course you don't understand.

Cotchery's attempt a catch was great, but the ball hit the ground and popped out. That's IN-COM-PLETE!

How much did they pay Cam to tank the game? I've seen enough of him and that's the worst I've seen him play all year. Didn't play like the same guy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CautdzaW0AAKAu8.jpg

Ball touches the ground while he's in the act of trying to complete the catch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CautdzrWIAAx1B5.jpg

Oh...and there it goes. OUT. That's an incompletion in the NFL by the rules.

Broncos have done that too him both times we've played them in the past 3 years.

Sorry he caught that ball homer

It's right there in the picture Blackops...so you can say that all you want, but everybody knows you are wrong.

Catch

Catch.

Didn't ESPN or CNN take a poll and something like 82% said catch? Seems most everyone thinks he's right and you're wrong. :shrug:

But the reality is that it was actually ruled no catch , so I guess you're "right." :rolleyes:

Don't worry, the general public which consisted of probably a couple thousand people voting in that poll understand the NFL rulebook.

Also, taking bets on how many of those people were angry Panther fans actively seeking out polls like that to voice their frustration with their team playing like complete shit?

Well TEX in the "all calls go to the Golden boys team bylaws"...it is a catch. Homer Broncos is correct.

I knew the game was rigged once they called that completely obvious catch incomplete and I turned the game off at that point.

Naw - the sample size was pretty large. And you're obviously in the minority as well. You're free to stay there. Makes no difference to me. I'm just in the larger group that saw it a different way.

I don't care how minor my group is. Just because your group is bigger doesnt make you right, it's simply means there are a ton of idiots like you in this world.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...atch-rule.html

#6 makes no sense to me. I don't know how that's even a questionable call.

You know what those 2 blue things are ....those are called fingers. You what else..there are two more under the ball and a thumb.

I realize counting to five is tough for Donko fans...that was a catch.

I think the problem with you is you can't read. That explains a lot. ;)

:spock:

If I can't read right, that must mean you can't write what you mean to say for shit.

#1 is bullshit. He caught it....turned and broke the plane. That's a ****ing TD....not a fumble.

Agreed. I got that one wrong, the Tate catch wrong, and the Fitzgerald one wrong.

I'm pretty clear with my words. The fact that you're trolling me on this issue and resorted to name calling, suggests that the problem lies with you. You can have your opinion on the matter and I'll have mine. Yes, I understand that even though more people agree with me, it doesn't mean I'm right. Yes, I understand that just because less people agree with you, doesn't mean you're wrong. Clear?

Trolling with fool proof evidence... ok. And I usually make it a habit of mine to address people by their names.

You mean trolling with proof for a fool. You have me at a disadvantage friend.

But the ball pops out afterward making it an incompletion. He might have had all 4 fingers under it. But the nose also touches the ground and it pops out. refs will call that incomplete with a review every single time.

If you want to make an argument that the Broncos were aided in victory by the refs, it was when the refs held the flag on an obvious PI in the red zone during the 4th quarter. On replay it was blatant that the receiver was being hit and grabbed prior to the ball arriving (I think it was Ginn, but I don't remember off the top of my head). That would have set the Panthers up at around the 5 yard line. 7 instead of 3 there really changes their game plan for the remainder of the 4th.

In other words ,you've been indoctrinated to believe the bullcrap.
Over the last 3 years they've made you believe you don't know what a catch is. If a guy holds a ball for a couple beats,it's a catch. No ifs,ands or buts about it. They made this crap up to help refs make calls the way they want

How many NFL players are broke now??

How much money do you think this story is worth??

Owens could have had that in his sock for his last 3 prime time games waiting to score.

I just started a cult church and I want you to join.

Well, didn't the NFL say that they were "entertainment"? :)

That catch/no-catch ... I would have been fine had it been called the other way, not happy, but it's pretty close. The whole "what is a catch" has been a problem all year with the inconsistency across the league.

I don't believe it, but I want to believe.

It would at least make sense as to how the worst Super Bowl team in 25+ years fell ass backwards into a win.

Yep. Same with Illegal Contact by a DB.

I'd find it more believable had it been a case where they rose to the occasion and played above their heads to win ONE game. You know - the whole "On ANY given Sunday" scenario. But this one seems especially odd because it came after a season where one team experienced more than its fair share of breaks that lead to many "surprising" wins. Weird things happen to many different teams across the league every week, but when they happen to one team, in an overwhelmingly positive manner - it looks odd. Almost like there's some agenda pushing for it. Then, when the breaks continue into the playoffs and in the Super Bowl - it provides room for more thought, rather than for a quick dismissal into the tin-foil-wearing-hat crowd. Just my opinion on the subject.

It hit the ground and popped out. He never had possession. It's an incompletion now and its been an in completion your entire football watching life.

Seems to be the case. Deal is because of it, the refs are terribly inconsistent in their interpretation of what constitutes a catch. And they're getting worse.

This isn't my thought,I read it and it makes sense.

P Manning fulfills a dream but doesn't cry or is emotional.
Like a robot he stands there and hugs the Papa Johns guy (he's in that commercial) he says -Budweiser- -twice ( Bud claims they didn't pay him for it but Manning owns Bud distributionships in Colorado ) perhaps it's hard to get excited about something you already know will happen.

As of a few years ago I changed my tune to I believe it,I just don't want to believe.

http://www.thefixisin.net/resources/puntreturn.gif

why isnt he calling fair catch with guys right there?
Why are the Panthers acting like he's the invisible man?
why are they playing basketball defense?

I wonder if Missouri psychiatrists have developed a name for the psychosis produced by the Chiefs' decades of futility. If not, I propose the name Clark Hunt Incompetence Engendered Fuqtardedness Syndrome, or CHIEFS for short.

weirdest play of the game.

Here's another story involving Carolina I'll share on the topic make of it what you will.

December 27th,2015 I'm in my hotel room at Harrah's Casino with some friends getting ready to go watch the games.Sportscenter is previewing the Falcons/Panthers game and I hear,"if somehow the Falcons can rise up and put an end to the Panthers win streak at 14,it'll mean that tonight's Vikings/Giants game has big play-off implications"

I look at one of my friends an avid gambler as I and tell him I'm betting on the Falcons today to which he asks why and I say(as a person who believes this shit is rigged to a certain extent),"because tonight's game was flexed from a noon slot and there's no way in hell in week 15 the NFL wants a game flexed to SNF with no meaning."

I bet the Falcons and as we all know they gave the Panthers there one and only regular season loss that day.

Lucky,maybe,but as another friend once told me...when all else fails follow the money.

Thought the same thing when I saw it live. The only legit thing I can think of is they might have thought he called fair catch and didn't want to tackle him for fear of a penalty. :rolleyes

Pretty sure they have figured out why people like you hang out on a rival board.

#97 must've not been in on the fix.

Yep. I blame the hyper-safety-oriented rules for that more than I blame some crazy conspiracy involving 100+ players and coaches.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned earlier in the game, (think it was Nantz) commented on how there had never been a punt return for a TD in the SB. He was obviously teasing what was script for drama.

Ever wonder why your mother used your tongue for her douche nozzle?

This thread is the biggest piece of shit that I have ever seen on Chiefsplanet.

the rules were invented to make that easier to do. Its a cheap science within itself

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crush your dreams

If the mullet fits...

That's pretty bad ass.