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rabblerouser 02-25-2016 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12097932)
It always seems weird to me we want these guys to take less money or team friendly deals, then call them out when they dont.

Has anyone here taken or would taken a team friendly deal at their work? I'm guessing they'd tell their boss to get ****ed

No shit.

Option A :

Do what's best for you and your family

OR

Option B :

Do what a bunch of beer-swilling ham and Eggers want you to do so they can still watch you on TV every week.

:hmmm:

New World Order 02-25-2016 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12098396)
ROFL

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12098397)
If Sutton had called a lot more press/man with some well timed blitzes, Berry WOULD have contained Gronk, because Brady hates being under pressure.

Sutton ****ed his players over by deciding to go full reerun zone against the type of QB who lives to pick apart a zone.

And they say the ship ain't rigged, LOL

(Cue all the 'Houston and Hali were hurt' bullshitters)

Let me cut that off now - Zombo and Dee Ford ran PLENTY of blitzes during the regular season (and at Houston).

Why, on earth, oh WHY would Sutton decide to Zone our defense to death against Brady??

On phone, someone embed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0USRASBHow

BossChief 02-25-2016 08:11 AM

It's gonna be sad when Denver signs Weddle

Anyong Bluth 02-25-2016 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12098492)
It's gonna be sad when Denver signs Weddle

You shut yo mouf

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-25-2016 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12098350)
Clay would probably be trolling us all and posting stat after stat about why he's not as good as safety x, y, and z, and how the Chiefs should pass on him. Kind of like you're doing now.

At least he would use stats to troll. The guy just had the best season of his career AFTER chemo and you choose to use THAT as the reason why you think it's good to let him walk?

Yea you are definitely one of clays minions. Only they would be foolish enough to defend him after this whole place called for his banning.

Eric Berry best season? Give me proof. His numbers are significantly down from his first three seasons

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-25-2016 02:52 PM

If Berry could show he wants to get better and wants to improve like Revis does, constantly elevating his game, then yes let's max him out. But the guy is taking advantage of his early accomplishments and living off those credits. If he gets the money, I hope I'm wrong about him. Good safeties can be drafted and plugged in almost immediately. That's why their free agency contact ceilings are not as high as other positions

mcaj22 02-25-2016 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099235)
If Berry could show he wants to get better and wants to improve like Revis does, constantly elevating his game, then yes let's max him out. But the guy is taking advantage of his early accomplishments and living off those credits. If he gets the money, I hope I'm wrong about him. Good safeties can be drafted and plugged in almost immediately. That's why their free agency contact ceilings are not as high as other positions

safeties have a pretty high contract ceiling, they arent CB or DL/pass rusher high, but they are pretty high

Perineum Ripper 02-25-2016 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099235)
If Berry could show he wants to get better and wants to improve like Revis does, constantly elevating his game, then yes let's max him out. But the guy is taking advantage of his early accomplishments and living off those credits. If he gets the money, I hope I'm wrong about him. Good safeties can be drafted and plugged in almost immediately. That's why their free agency contact ceilings are not as high as other positions

The guy worked out and busted his ass while undergoing chemo so he could come back and play..he maintained weight..gained a pound..the guy is dedicated to football and to be a top safety in the league to say anything about him living off his early career is not accurate in my opinion

ThaVirus 02-25-2016 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099235)
If Berry could show he wants to get better and wants to improve like Revis does, constantly elevating his game, then yes let's max him out. But the guy is taking advantage of his early accomplishments and living off those credits. If he gets the money, I hope I'm wrong about him. Good safeties can be drafted and plugged in almost immediately. That's why their free agency contact ceilings are not as high as other positions


Wow. You're really raising the bar of stupidity here.

Revis has consistently whored himself out to the highest bidder. If anything, he's all about the money.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-25-2016 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12099324)
Wow. You're really raising the bar of stupidity here.

Revis has consistently whored himself out to the highest bidder. If anything, he's all about the money.

And he's perennially an elite player at his position for continually evolving himself

ThaVirus 02-25-2016 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099353)
And he's perennially an elite player at his position for continually evolving himself

You'll say just about anything it seems..

Berry's arrow is obviously pointing up. He's got two All-Pro nominations in his last two full seasons played.

As it stands now, he's got one less than your male lover Earl Thomas despite basically missing two entire seasons. In entire HOF careers guys like Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu and Brisn Dawkins finished with 5, 4, and 4.

Quesadilla Joe 02-25-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12098492)
It's gonna be sad when Denver signs Weddle

We don't need him. I'd rather sign David Bruton than Eric Weddle.

staylor26 02-25-2016 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12099447)
We don't need him. I'd rather sign David Bruton than Eric Weddle.

Bruton is gone. He's going to get starter money.

RealSNR 02-25-2016 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099229)
Yea you are definitely one of clays minions. Only they would be foolish enough to defend him after this whole place called for his banning.



Eric Berry best season? Give me proof. His numbers are significantly down from his first three seasons


One of his minions? I thought I WAS Clay? Now I've been downgraded to one of his minions? Why do you say that?

Also, you ARE Blackbob.

Quesadilla Joe 02-25-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12099450)
Bruton is gone. He's going to get starter money.

Probably. He already said he wants the contract that Justin Bethel received and I don't see Denver being able to pay him $5M a year. He also said he'd play for any team in the NFL except the Patriots LMAO

Edit: With that being said, if Elway can't get Malik signed then Bruton and Trevathan could be who Denver tries to keep.

hometeam 02-25-2016 04:56 PM

Why is it always the same shit with bob.

Draft a player, he turns into an all pro, and when hes ready for a contract let him walk? **** it lets just draft an all pro safety every 3 years. Its easy, and if we miss, it doesnt matter because the guy isnt the QB of the defense or anything~

Your wrong, bob. You are always wrong, bob. You will always BE wrong, bob.

Anyong Bluth 02-25-2016 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099353)
And he's perennially an elite player at his position for continually evolving himself

What did he evolve into? A Centaur?

That might be a problem ever signing him because Berry's afraid as **** of horses!

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-25-2016 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12099372)
You'll say just about anything it seems..

Berry's arrow is obviously pointing up. He's got two All-Pro nominations in his last two full seasons played.

As it stands now, he's got one less than your male lover Earl Thomas despite basically missing two entire seasons. In entire HOF careers guys like Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu and Brisn Dawkins finished with 5, 4, and 4.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...252/eric-berry
Tackles, INT's all downtrending....

SAUTO 02-25-2016 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099235)
If Berry could show he wants to get better and wants to improve like Revis does, constantly elevating his game, then yes let's max him out. But the guy is taking advantage of his early accomplishments and living off those credits. If he gets the money, I hope I'm wrong about him. Good safeties can be drafted and plugged in almost immediately. That's why their free agency contact ceilings are not as high as other positions

The guy GAINED weight while undergoing chemo.

I think that process his will to improve you ****ing ****

Perineum Ripper 02-25-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12099571)
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...252/eric-berry
Tackles, INT's all downtrending....

Earl Thomas tackles have went down the past 2 years..Seattle better cut him he has plateaued and only cares about money..they can sign anybody to take his place at half the money and do just as good

Pasta Little Brioni 02-25-2016 06:52 PM

David Bruton...a JAG worth next to nothing.

Squalor2 02-25-2016 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12097157)
:hmmm:

you are the claynass in a burn ban

New World Order 02-25-2016 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mac459 (Post 12099703)
Earl Thomas tackles have went down the past 2 years..Seattle better cut him he has plateaued and only cares about money..they can sign anybody to take his place at half the money and do just as good



We need some good coverage players who can lock down the opposing team's prime time player

Three7s 02-25-2016 10:07 PM

Black Bob's at large again?

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-25-2016 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12099593)
The guy GAINED weight while undergoing chemo.

I think that process his will to improve you ****ing ****

We kept him on the payroll and took a gamble going into 2015, thus we have done him favors rather than ridding him by placing him on NFI. If anything, he and his agent should realize that a team-friendly team is in place. It's gotta be a two-way road here. Can't reward a guy for excellent performance his first 3 years as he has had significant drop off the last 2 1/2.

RealSNR 02-25-2016 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12100637)
We kept him on the payroll and took a gamble going into 2015, thus we have done him favors rather than ridding him by placing him on NFI. If anything, he and his agent should realize that a team-friendly team is in place. It's gotta be a two-way road here. Can't reward a guy for excellent performance his first 3 years as he has had significant drop off the last 2 1/2.

ROFL

Significant drop off.

You're a ****ing moron if you think 2010 and 2012 were Berry's best years as a player.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 02-26-2016 12:56 AM

You think Berry will be top 3 at his position over the next five years? I sure as hell don't.

O.city 02-26-2016 12:58 AM

He just had his best year as a pro, his tackles were down because he played more deep safety, which is what everyone wanted, and played it at an all pro level and he......


You know, **** it. It's a dumb ****ing argument with king dips hit of the community morons that now call this place home.

jspchief 02-26-2016 07:57 AM

I guess I don't get the big concern with cap space. It's not like this team needs to spend a bunch of money on other teams' free agents to fill holes. What positions currently need a huge upgrade? I feel like most the pieces are in place, it's just a matter of keeping them here and getting the most out of them.

So what are they saving cap space for again?

RealSNR 02-26-2016 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12100717)
You think Berry will be top 3 at his position over the next five years? I sure as hell don't.

He might. He was top 5 this year.

You know, the year when he was just a couple of months removed from chemo****ingtherapy.

Quesadilla Joe 02-26-2016 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12100804)
I guess I don't get the big concern with cap space. It's not like this team needs to spend a bunch of money on other teams' free agents to fill holes. What positions currently need a huge upgrade? I feel like most the pieces are in place, it's just a matter of keeping them here and getting the most out of them.

So what are they saving cap space for again?

The Chiefs could use another corner (two if Smith leaves), an interior pass rusher or two, an outside pass rusher or two, a RT, a WR or two, an ILB, and a guard.

jspchief 02-26-2016 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12100830)
The Chiefs could use another corner (two if Smith leaves), an interior pass rusher or two, an outside pass rusher or two, a RT, a WR or two, an ILB, and a guard.

Resign our interior D linemen and Smith and the CB and and Dline is set. If Hali stays, they can probably afford to give Ford another year to earn a starting role. They drafted two ILBs last year.

I"ll give you they need another WR, and more help on the Oline. But a #2 WR and a couple fatties aren't likely to break the bank. I'm not saying the Chiefs are set at every position, but I don't feel like they have many positions that are so critically bad that they need to go tear up the FA market. They may be deep at the safety position, but they aren't so cap strapped that they need to let an all pro walk to save some money.

RunKC 02-26-2016 09:23 AM

Berry is a truly special player bc there isn't another safety like him. Guys like TJ Ward and Kam Chancellor are the big hitters who have average speed that can't get to the outside quick enough, but fortunately they had very fast LB's to cover that deficiency.

On the other end you have elite speed safeties like Earl Thomas and Ron Parker who can easily ball hawk and chase guys down but can't be a force in the box against the run.

That's why Berry is so good. He's the best all around safety in the NFL. He is talented at everything.
Why do you think Mauga only played 40% of the snaps? Bc Berry was basically the LB on most of those third downs bc he can stuff the run and cover the pass.

Yeah he gets beat by elite TE's like Gronk and Gates, but come the **** on. As I said before, every safety struggles against those guys. Watch the SB where Gronk was making Thomas and Chancellor his bitches all night.

ROYC75 02-26-2016 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12096213)
Can Weddle replace Berry?


I have it on high authority that Eric Weddle can not replace Halle Berry.

Just no way!

rabblerouser 02-26-2016 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 12100882)
I have it on high authority that Eric Weddle can not replace Halle Berry.

Just no way!

ROFL

Halle Berry is going NOWHERE!

RealSNR 02-26-2016 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12100877)
Berry is a truly special player bc there isn't another safety like him. Guys like TJ Ward and Kam Chancellor are the big hitters who have average speed that can't get to the outside quick enough, but fortunately they had very fast LB's to cover that deficiency.

On the other end you have elite speed safeties like Earl Thomas and Ron Parker who can easily ball hawk and chase guys down but can't be a force in the box against the run.

That's why Berry is so good. He's the best all around safety in the NFL. He is talented at everything.
Why do you think Mauga only played 40% of the snaps? Bc Berry was basically the LB on most of those third downs bc he can stuff the run and cover the pass.

Yeah he gets beat by elite TE's like Gronk and Gates, but come the **** on. As I said before, every safety struggles against those guys. Watch the SB where Gronk was making Thomas and Chancellor his bitches all night.

Gronk is the only TE I can really recall this season who got the best of Berry all game.

And when he's healthy, I have yet to really see a safety or cornerback who can stop him.

rabblerouser 02-26-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12100928)
Gronk is the only TE I can really recall this season who got the best of Berry all game.

And when he's healthy, I have yet to really see a safety or cornerback who can stop him.

How much of Gronk getting the best of Berry was because of those stupid zone defenses Sutton was calling?? If Berry would've been in more press coverage, he would've had a better chance at slowing Gronk coming off the line/out of breaks/etc. As it were, Gronk and Edelman were allowed free release off the line and ran right to the open holes in the zones. There wasn't much Berry could do about that other than secure the tackle...

Much different play calling than the 2014 MNF Game. Sutton acted like Dee Ford and Frank Zombo hadn't been playing the same blitz/man-press stuff the previous 3 weeks. "Let's go zone this week". :banghead:

RunKC 02-26-2016 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12101086)
How much of Gronk getting the best of Berry was because of those stupid zone defenses Sutton was calling?? If Berry would've been in more press coverage, he would've had a better chance at slowing Gronk coming off the line/out of breaks/etc. As it were, Gronk and Edelman were allowed free release off the line and ran right to the open holes in the zones. There wasn't much Berry could do about that other than secure the tackle...

Much different play calling than the 2014 MNF Game. Sutton acted like Dee Ford and Frank Zombo hadn't been playing the same blitz/man-press stuff the previous 3 weeks. "Let's go zone this week". :banghead:

He ran press in the first 2 drives and Brady ate us alive bc there was no pressure.

Quesadilla Joe 02-26-2016 02:54 PM

Greg Cosell and Alex Smith give an overview of the free agent safety class.


http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/vi...3-64e10d004458

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-11-2016 09:36 PM

Haters keep hating...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-all-pro-team/

Safety: Eric Weddle, Baltimore Ravens, 92.4

A new defense has done little to dampen the impact of Eric Weddle, who has been one of the best safeties in the game for pretty much his entire career. He once again leads PFF’s safety rankings this season, and has been an impact player against both the run and pass for the Ravens.

Willie Lanier 11-11-2016 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12548068)
Haters keep hating...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-all-pro-team/

Safety: Eric Weddle, Baltimore Ravens, 92.4

A new defense has done little to dampen the impact of Eric Weddle, who has been one of the best safeties in the game for pretty much his entire career. He once again leads PFF’s safety rankings this season, and has been an impact player against both the run and pass for the Ravens.

Dude, I only come here and post occasionally, so I don't know your history, but it sure seems like you have a penchant for pissing people off, why on earth would you be gloating about Weddle doing well?

I just don't get what you're trying to achieve here...

Just trying to give yourself credi?

I mean, I'm at a loss

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-11-2016 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Willie Lanier (Post 12548077)
Dude, I only come here and post occasionally, so I don't know your history, but it sure seems like you have a penchant for pissing people off, why on earth would you be gloating about Weddle doing well?

I just don't get what you're trying to achieve here...

Just trying to give yourself credi?

I mean, I'm at a loss

Ignore function. Use it.

Willie Lanier 11-11-2016 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12548106)
Ignore function. Use it.

Fair enough response I guess, but I've never really understood that standard.

I like to hear everyone's opinions regarding the chiefs, whether they align with mine or not...

I have no qualms with you, just curious as to why you bumped this thread I guess.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-11-2016 10:24 PM

Just roll thru all the pages of comments and you'll understand. It's just interesting to see all the hate one can attract because it's the easy thing to do even tho there is clear, objective information to support a different stance.

If anything, a reminder that alternative views should be considered and discussed rather than incessantly criticized on CP.

I have really enjoyed having Berry on this team but if you've noticed over the last 2 months, people are starting to realize he doesn't have it in him like he once did. His agent was out of his mind demanding big money like that after a contract year that was clearly below his standards. Dorsey did the right thing.

RealSNR 11-11-2016 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12548117)
Just roll thru all the pages of comments and you'll understand. It's just interesting to see all the hate one can attract because it's the easy thing to do even tho there is clear, objective information to support a different stance.

If anything, a reminder that alternative views should be considered and discussed rather than incessantly criticized on CP.

I have really enjoyed having Berry on this team but if you've noticed over the last 2 months, people are starting to realize he doesn't have it in him like he once did. His agent was out of his mind demanding big money like that after a contract year that was clearly below his standards. Dorsey did the right thing.

On this we agree. Dorsey offered to make him the highest paid safety in the game, and Berry turned down the offer. I'm absolutely in Dorsey's corner.

If Berry tries to go for that money again, we ain't gonna tag him a second time. He walks at that point. And that has to be the correct move.


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