Critics are ruining movie goers experiences by placing their thoughts into the minds of viewers who have yet to see the film. Most of the time it's "fanboy", fake reviewers:

Marvel's Thor: Ragnorak is amazing but DC's Justice League is not.

:rolleyes:

A great number of these "reviewers" receive compensation for raving about Marvel and blasting DC. It's become an ugly business and no one should trust them. I don't even bother reading reviews or Rotten Tomatoes because "Aggregate Websites" will take a line from a review, then use it as their own lead line to bash a film.

And I'm sorry, 99.9999% of Chiefsplanet members aren't movie critics. Just because you don't like a movie doesn't mean it wasn't well made. I read this shit on Facebook by dozens of friends that said "La La Land" was overrated and how "critics" are stupid.

:facepalm:

La La Land and Marvel/DC films have absolutely zero in common with each other, other than the fact that they're both fictional tales shown on the same medium.

Go see a movie. Enjoy or don't enjoy it. But don't let some butt****ing moron that you don't even know decide whether or not a movie is "good" or "bad".

Dane,

I agree. I avoid reviews completely before seeing a film, especially DC movies. They torched Batman vs Superman but I really enjoyed it. I usually read reviews afterward to see what whether they agree or not with my thoughts on the film.

I am the .0001 percent (or was)! PBJ

LMAO

Yep :D

What's going on with Affleck? It would be a damn shame if he left.

The internet and particularly social media has turned the public into a herd. It's just as visible in video game discussion. And I believe at least some of these 'open and honest conversations' are carefully constructed narratives. In the end people let their minds be made up for them long before they experience anything for themselves.

What the net IS good for is breaking down movies and games. In terms of finding Easter eggs, understanding references and connections, etc.

But value judgements? No thanks. It's all marketing, either for or against.

BTW, Gadot still isn't believable as WW, but Miller did surprisingly good job as the Flash.

People actually read movie reviews? I don't think I ever have. If it looks good....I'll go see it. If it doesn't....then I'll probably wait until it hits Redbox and then maybe give it a shot.

Who needs to read a review when you can just look up a percentage on the tomatometer...

I don't even do that.

RT isn't the bible or whatever but it's sometimes nice to know what the general opinion of it is. That said, sites like Metacritic are a lot better because on one hand you can see the pundits' score and at the same time, you can see the average movie-goer's score which also is more fuel to the "critics are bought out" conspiracy theorists:

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/justice-league

RT also does what you are describing. They have a critics score and an audience score. Critic scores mean dick to me but I am, a good majority of the time, right on with the audience score. The audience scored well on Justice League but the critics abused it. I for once was going along with the critics on this one.

Yeah 7.2 for metacritic and 8.5 from audience scores on RT. Both better than BVS theatrical which shouldve never been released...UE should've been the theatrical one.

Average movie goer scores are inherently biased on the high side, because most people who go to a movie want it to be good. It doesn't mean all the scores will be bloated, but it is something to take into account.

Using critics is a pretty easy, efficient, and sensible, way to decide how to spend your movie dollars. Find a group of critics whose opinions generally line up with yours. Stick with them until you see consistent divergence.

And, apparently, you need to avoid listening to CP's comics fanboys about DCU movies.

Well, it certainly wasn't a great movie but it was entertaining.



Anyway, I'm excited to see where things go.

Assuming they don't blow it all up, the next JL film could be the Legion of Doom or Darkseid himself. I'm down for either one.

I liked Man of Steel, BvS UE, and LaLa Land. Does that up it to .0003?

You’re not a “Critic”.

:D

I generally only compare a critic score to an audience score. If the critics hate it and the audience loves it, I know I will enjoy the movie. Its very rare that I agree with todays critics. Now, back in the 80's I generally trusted them.

Man, I just watch movies when time permits (which is extremely rare) and either like what I see or not.

I’d been excited to watch Denis Villanueva’s Arrival for nearly a year.

It’s taken three different attempts and I just don’t like it.

Yet, critics loved it.

Yeah, I thought that movie was pure crap. It was hard to even stay interested.

Just got back from the late show.

Thought it was every bit as good as any Marvel Movie that does not have the word Guardians in the title.

The story was not the strongest, but it was just as good as Ragnarok, which no one seems to have an issue with. Villian was fine...good enough, and did not steal the show.

Thought the chemistry was fantastic. It had the funny. Batman did take a step back, but I thought it was a necessary step...and I love Batman, but in this case it was the right call to have him take a step back so the others could shine.

Really liked Aquaman--fresh take on the character and I am officially excited for the solo movie. With the right kind of marketing Aquaman could be DC's Iron Man-- a second tier comic book hero that is a great fit on the silver screen.

Hopefully Warner re-considers and keeps the series going. I think it is moving in the right direction. Word of Mouth seems good on this, so I think it will have some legs and drop off less than BVS.

That is disappointing to hear. I have been wanting to see that for awhile but just have not fit in my schedule. I loved Blade Runner 2049, so I will probably check it anyway.

Definitely don't go on my word. Just because some didn't like it doesn't mean you won't.

It is still on my list....it is one of those of movies that I will either love, or I will hate....I value opinions on movies and such, but at the end of the day, I see what I wanna see and make my own judgments.

Movie Critics and RT are fun to read, but at the end of the day, if I went by their ratings, I would have missed a lot of good movies.

You don't even have to find one with whom you agree. You just have to find one whose opinions are consistent. If you consistently enjoy movies a critic hates, that's as good as anything.

Pretty cool he adopted the chiefs ...no idea why he's a fan. Him and Joe Mangenilo were at the playoffs game last year.
He's always wearing a chiefs hat too

While you're looking at the Chiefs logo on his shirt, I'm staring at the huge f@#$ing dog next to him. That thing is massive!

He's probably buddies with Rob Riggle and Paul Rudd too.

Probably, I see he even follows the chiefs on Instagram

I always looked forward to Siskel and Ebert reviews. Mostly we didn't get that many movie trailer bombarding the TV so a lot of times it was to see what block buster movie was coming out. I miss those guys even if I didn't agree I give their show a thumbs up. :thumb:

Good point

Gal gadot is SOOOOOOOO ****in sexy as WW

he grew up in the KC area. Overland Park area.

Figured it was something like that. Nobody roots for the Chiefs by choice.

Um...Henry Cavill is British.

Was at the Steelers game last year. Still not sure how became a Chiefs fan though. Maybe he just picked it up when assuming the mantle of Clark Kent?

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lol

I'm guessing he didn't root for American football until getting cast for Superman.

l stayed out of this thread until l saw the movie. I knew nothing about multiple directors, Superman moustache etc of the things mentioned in here.

Some of you seem to think these Superhero movies are supposed to be cinematic masterpieces. There is also some kind of Marvel v D.C. Thing going on.

I thought it was a good movie. Better than some superhero movies, worse than some. It's just a popcorn movie. Turn off the brain and just enjoy the movie on that level and it's worth the time and money.

Apparently the dog is an emotional support animal?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...g-airport.html

l saw an interview with him for this movie when asked about the Chiefs fandom, where he became a fan, he said he lived in a small town in Kansas outside of KC. Maybe he was ****ing with the interviewer but it came off as real. Maybe he's buddies with Riggle or Rudd and was ****ing with them?

I haven't seen the flick yet, and don't intend to until it hits Netflix. I'm a Marvel fan though, as that was what I grew up reading. I'm just not really invested in DC, so it falls into the typical summer blockbuster type of movie for me.

LMAO... Superman has a therapy dog.....

Well, he is a Chiefs fan after all. lol

Perfect reply

****ing A..... ROFL

The film has made $300 million already. All l read on here is that it's flopping.


Rotten Tomatoes has this much power? Forbes article

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...ce-league/amp/


Yes, there is going to be a lot of talk about what went wrong with the opening weekend reception of Justice League, and at least some of the blame lies with the poor reception of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, as well as the lackluster reviews and the choice to make the film into some de-facto copy of The Avengers. But there is one odd factor that deserves a moment of discussion, and that is how Rotten Tomatoes, and the media in covering Rotten Tomatoes, black-flagged the WB release just before the release date.

Rep to you.

I blame the Russians.

So is this going to be the new thing? Crying about reviews when an average movie does poorly?

I was really hoping this would do well.

Disney just continues to gobble up properties like an Australian field mouse epidemic. Without competition the genre will become stale and cookie-cutter and flame out...

Don't - they tried to diversify the field...:D

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They probably spent $200 million on advertising alone...

BvS and SS made money too, but the issue is damage to the franchise moving forward, and you're counting worldwide revenues. JL has made $101m domestic. JL opened with the lowest domestic box of the DCU films, to date, and that won't be taken as a good sign. Unless there's an unexpected jump moving forward, there will probably be a lot more soul searching back at corporate.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4346&p=.htm

Let someone else make these movies then. If you're so insecure as a studio in your own ability to make these movies that you desperately try to copy paste a winning formula only to have it fall flat on its face you deserve the kicks in the nuts you'll be receiving. Like, how in the **** could you possibly screw up such simple concepts as BvS and Suicide Squad. THATS why I'm not spending $10 to see this movie, not ****ing rotten tomatoes.

Yeah, so as a former DC hater.... this film nailed it. Sooo much better than previous DC stuff. I'd say better that WW.

I had serious doubts beforehand. Thought BvS was complete shit. But I liked this one. Gives me hope for DC future...

I watched this today with my daughter. We both really enjoyed it.

only in a world gone mad does a movie make $300 million in 4 days and is labeled by some a flop.

Its on track to be a 50 to 100 million $ loss for the studio after all costs are accounted for, from what I understand. Considering what this movie is, that's an unmitigated disaster.

? How do they know that after 4 days? How much have they spent on this movie?

Really don't 100% understand it but articles I've read are saying it needs to hit 700+ million to break even and its on track to end somewhere in the 600 million range with how they predict trends. Hopefully Thanksgiving weekend can give it an unexpected boost though.

http://Www.screenrant.com/justice-le...fice-loss/amp/

I'm guessing JL reaches the 700m. WW hit 821m worldwide and JL is already at 286m.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dcfilm1117.htm

if your movie needs to make $700 million to break even, maybe making profits are not your biggest worry.

You don't, at all, understand how film economics work...

People hating on this movie are just following the flock. This movie was very entertaining and a comic book adaptation. I highly suggest you go see it and just enjoy the flick for what t is.

Only thing is the pacing and lack of character dev. She rushing everyone on screen but still solid movie

The bolded portion is why I will wait until this is free to watch. I don't pay money to see 'splosions alone.

Exactly. This movie isn't perfect but definitely worth a watch. I also though Batman vs. Superman and Suicide Squad were complete shit.

I also didn't think WW was that good. It was a 7.5/10 movie that got great reception because it had a strong female lead and all other DC's movies at that time had been terrible.

So definitely not a DC fan boy but glad I watched this in theatres. I would give Justice League 8/10. Not perfect but a fun watch.

Every comic book is mainly explosions lol it’s entertaining and worth seeing on a big screen. It def feels like a justice league unlimited episode.

You can have plot cohesion, pacing, and characterization in a comic book movie.

Which they obviously do in this movie. It’s just simply being overly critical just to follow the crowd. They could do a better job sure but it’s a better movie than ant man, most of iron man films, probably even on par with Spider-Man

I suspect this movie will go down like the Revenge of the Sith movie. Lots of people liked it but upon some more reflection they will figure out it wasn't really all that great.

I sincerely hope the studio doesn't share your attitude. "Waahh, the critics are mean" is going to get them nowhere as far as righting this ship goes for future movies. Still a bit pissed that Affleck appears to be on the way out, as he was a pleasant surprise in BvS.

It doesn't matter if it's "great".

Either you enjoyed it or didn't.

NONE of these mother****ing comic films, whether Marvel or DC, are "great", with the exception of The Dark Knight, which was a masterpiece for many, many reasons.

Go back and watch Iron Man from 2008.

It does not hold up.

Righhhht cause that what I’m doing. Critics are dumb and irrelevant for the most part. The studio is correcting the ship as this is the best movie to date for that universe. Snyder was the worst choice for the franchise but due to him losing a child recently I’m gonna day he’s no longer gonna be with them going forward. Ben has been a great Batman I think, he’s been the best Bruce Wayne by far. They are def setting up a Batman after Bruce Wayne which will be refreshing.

This movie was by no means as jarring as BvS. It would have been nice to see standalone films but DC had to just rush them to compete. Any justice league animated- dc fan should go see this movie.

Well, even Nolan's trilogy had its issues. Go back and watch those horrible fight scenes. They were poorly choreographed.

And the Joker was awesome but an anarchist nutjob would never have been able to execute a single one of his plans successfully with such precision given the absurd amount of moving parts.

Also, one of my favorite scenes- "you're gonna love me". Seriously, they're in a room of like 100 people. No one made any sort of peep or exclamation when Bats happened to show up behind Joker? Everyone just kept their mouths shut? Oooookkk.

The first Iron Man is ****ing awesome. **** you, Dane!

I haven't watched it probably since '08 but I just know it is!

I just watched IM 2 just a couple of weeks ago and would much rather watch that again then Justice League. And IM 2 isn't great at all.

The ship is taking on water. $$$ wise its looking like its going to break even at best. I don't personally give a shit about it but with how these executives react to this type of news it scares me what kind of knee jerk reaction they'll have that'll **** up their next movie. So far Marvel seems like the Patriots and DC seems like the Browns. Even when Marvel does stupid shit they always seem to come out ahead. When DC does something good or great it still ends up being a failure of sorts. Its sad to watch

I rewatched Iron Man a month ago. Still a great movie. Your Marvel bias is weird.

I think it's clunky and doesn't hold up. The villain was weak.

I've never read comic books. Not as a kid, not as an adult.

GoTG 1 & 2 are really fun movies, as it Ant Man. I liked Civil War, Age of Ultron and Winter Soldier but found Iron Man 2, Thor 2, Captain America 1 and The Avengers tedious to watch at best and outright boring at worst.

At this point, I think that Spider-man: Homecoming was the best "film" from top to bottom. Excellent cast, pacing, direction and acting.