On the second try hill was wide open on the left side. Hard to get too mad at Smith an on that particular play but he had time to progress through his reads and not throw to a triple covered Maclin.

I hear you, but QB is too important in today's NFL to consider any team with Alex Smith an "excellent" team. I'll go back to my 3-legged dog analogy. Alex Smith is a 3-legged dog. He's loyal, he tried hard, but he's never going to win you any races. He's not capable. He doesn't have it in him. I have no problem with Alex as a human being, but I can't stand him as a QB. He's a SLIGHTLY better version of Matt Cassel, but that difference is so small, that except for a few good scrambles here and there, they might as well be the exact same guy. He's horseshit as an NFL QB, and until he no longer starts for us, we'll never have a legit chance to win a championship.

When has Smith ever demonstrated a consistent ability to progress through receivers?

Haven't read the whole thread, but this is the guy:
http://www.football-refs.com/active-refs/carl-cheffers/

If anyone heard the jackass yelling "**** you refs" from section 119. Yea, that was me. At least that's what my wife called me for yelling it over and over. I think it was just as fair to yell that as that bullshit holding call. **** the refs. But at the same time the Chiefs should not have been trailing.

Was he the guy who threw the flag for the Steelers or did he just head the crew? I'm curious who actually threw the flag to award the Steelers the victory, because it was a one-man operation.

According to Mike Pereira on FOX yesterday, he said Cheffers will likely get the Super Bowl assignment.

Hell yes he will get the Super Bowl. He was a good soldier and did what he was told to do.

The FOX game was before ours though, so it'll be interesting to see if he still gets that assignment.

Good for you... And don't forget Pearl Harbor..... I'm sure Pearl Harbor would be another tangential thing the NFL will point to, if ever questioned about the game's officiating, as to what led to the chiefs loss and how the oddly timed call had no bearing on the outcome.

Of course.... Clearly he's a company man!

I'm not.



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Yeah, neither am I. It's like the Hunts are the types who will sit a round and watch kids do cruel things to animals and do nothing to step-in and do something about it.

I'm sure they'll claim that just because they're not doing it in public doesn't mean they're not doing anything about it, but I call bullshit. Clark leads the way with being an NFL corporate whore and standing fast while wrongs are committed to his own team. If I'm wrong, he's been 100% ineffective with righting the wrongs that continue to plague his team from the league.

To think I tossed $350 to watch his kids lose to the Bucs. Wow, there's some dive gear gone unbought for a shit-show!

And **** the head official, I hope he breaks his big toe and can't go in the SB.

I told you I wasn't over it!

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Truth. No more denying it either.

So if Kelce and Maclin and Wilson, etc etc etc. actually hold onto the balls that were right there for them to catch and the Chiefs put up just one more filed goal and win the game... that changes the way everyone is talking about Smith today right? Why would dropped pass after dropped pass after dropped pass change the way people feel about the passer? It's crazy to me.

no, because smith still finds ways to miss the easy ones.

they could have caught all those passes, and smith still misses the two tyreek touchdowns.

that game should have been a 20 point win (should have been):D

BINGO!

Hearing from many non Chief fans how awful that call was today. You simply can't take a game seriously when things like that happen.

After watching the game again Pitts did a lot of holding that didn't get called. Not one holding call on them. If you watch 'The Hold' in slow motion it looks like a hold but at normal speed it's not. Terrible call that impacted the outcome of the game.

Yes you are a young man and if you continue to follow this team and the NFL as a whole take one bit of advice from this old(er) man.Don't let it get you too down(been there and done that in the 90's) and don't ever be surprised what you may see from phantom calls to blatant rule violations with a slap on the wrist to BS concussion protocol standards for some and not others.

If you watch it from the side, it's clear that there's no holding. If you watch it from the back, you see Harrison's head and shoulders go backwards as he's falling. This is because he's falling and so suddenly his feet are going one direction and his upper body another while Fisher is pushing him, but one could argue that it's evidence of the tickiest ticky-tack holding. But if you're going to call it on that type of incident, you should call it the other 160 times during the game that were more egregious.

The ref had money on the game, or he was told that Pittsburgh needed to win.

You don't get to execute like a peewee team for 90% of the game and then complain about the referees.

The Chiefs didn't deserve to win that game. They didn't win that game.

Full stop.

And Pittsburgh did?


They failed just as much as the Chiefs, they just got the nudge at the right time.

Pittsburgh controlled the clock and played most of that game on our side of the field. I'm not sure why anyone is taking it as an article of faith that they'd have not marched right down the field and kicked another FG to end it.

Pittsburgh outplayed KC in every facet of that game. Yes, Pittsburgh deserved to win it.

Did Pitt drop a single pass?

They couldn't finish drives, and couldn't stop the Chiefs when it mattered the most.


Pitt played like shit, too. They just didn't get a backbreaking "call" that ****ed them out of points a crucial part of the game.

If KC kicks 6 FG's this place would meltdown with how they should have lost, etc.


Pitt did not deserve to win, but they did thanks to a shitty outing by KC and a perfectly timed call.

Yes, Pittsburgh did. They completely dominated the Chiefs in stats for about 3.5 quarters of play. If it weren't for PIT's inability to finish off in the Red Zone, this game would be a blowout. We couldn't even force them to punt until the 4th quarter. The Chiefs were lucky as hell to be within reach to tie the game in the 4th.

I couldn't agree with you more about the defense. They did their job and our offense did what they were expected to do. They fell apart and wanted to get bailed out. What I don't agree with is calling the 'Smith nutsucklers', maggots. Maggots do serve a purpose and have a medical benefit. Just saying.

Cock Holster ROFL

It's a bullshit call. If we have NFL star players that flag is not thrown. NFL wanted Pitt and helped them.

ROFL
Pittsburghs 395 yrds of offense to KCs 23O yrds offense , and what ? Pittsburgh had the ball for about 59 mins of the 6O min. game. Those 2 things alone shows they were the much better team.

Makes me think back to the '93-94 season we have Montana,Allen,DT and what do you know a play-off win at Arrowhead against Pitt,a great playoff road win at Houston and a trip to the AFC Championship game.

I was listening to Grunhard yesterday and he even said that was the year but Joe's injury "took the wind out of the sails."

it really doesnt even matter. You think Ben wouldnt of drove the field with 2:30 left in the game to win? Yea ****ing right. He would of drove the field and kicked a 50th field goal or whatever to win the game.

Big Ben attempting a FG,now that would be entertaining. :D

Meh. It's not ice dancing. Style doesn't matter. Having the most points on the board matters. The Chiefs were two points behind late in the fourth quarter and executed a two-point play to tie it up. Whether it was stylish or not, they deserve to win if they can score more points than the other team.

Maybe we could have gotten a stop on 3rd down at the end and had them punting from the 7 yard line?

Every aspect of the team failed.

Still the dropped passes were the worst IMO. We catch the balls we should the refs couldn't have screwed us.

Yeah. When I look at the end result, I look at the dropped passes first and foremost, followed immediately by the offensive line losing their battles consistently.

Jesus. Harrison had the outside from the get-go and Fisher hooked him immediately. That's holding all day, every day.

Is it the worst, most egregious hold in the history of football? No. Has worse ever gone uncalled? Yeah, probably. But that is a pretty serious hold, and I would expect it to be called 9 times out of 10.

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I'll bow out. I know I can do nothing but piss people off. Meh.

I'm only going to be pissed if the golden boy in NE doesn't beat the golden boy in Pitt.

While the rest of the NFL gets a golden shower.

Nice LMAO

It was a hold. But so were countless others that never got called in key situations like that in the past. Shit, just pull up pictures of Tamba getting held like that all career long. You can't say it isn't holding 90% of the time and then call it in this situation.

The first thing that will come to my mind is the fact that with a 7-6 lead and Hill lined up man to man on Timmons, our entire section saw that formation and knew - absolutely KNEW - that Hill was about to break this game open with a long TD.

We were watching the route, saw him destroy coverage at the snap and run free downfield with nobody within 10 yards, looked up and saw Smith getting happy feet and rolling the other way. I have never seen such an obvious big play unfold like that - from formation to the play itself, it was the kind of shit you can't even manage to set up on Madden. It was a no-doubter.

Smith played a tolerable game but when there was a chance to make a massive, game-changing play, the guy who makes his bones off pre-snap reads and a firm grasp of the offense evidently missed the fact that he got a bigger mismatch than Brown v. Houston and left 7 on the board. Instead of keying on the pre-snap mis-match, he scrambled about, his lineman leaked downfield (which will happen), the ineligible man downfield penalty put us behind the sticks and of course we threw underneath for 9 yards on a 3rd and 16. It was the kind of sequence that every Smith hater says will keep him from ever winning a championship. It was 'peak Smiff', so to speak.

The Steelers got the punt, walked down the field (again), took the lead and never gave it back. The Chiefs continued to fail to execute basic football shit and simply refuse to take a game that was there for them to win. That's going to be the moment that forever sticks out to me - the moment that the Chiefs had it on their racket and our 'processor' of a quarterback went braindead.

They deserved that loss.

Did you watch it in real time from the side angle? He's pushing Harrison upfield and Harrison's feet go out from under him.

If you read the rule book carefully, it can be called a holding penalty and in that case the refs should have called 160 other holding penalties during the game to be consistent with the rules.

I wonder if all the people who say "It's definitely a hold, I don't believe in the refs swallowing their whistle just because it's late in the game" would feel the same way if a pick had been called on the Clemson WR at the end of the NCG.

Fact is if this holding hadn't been called Pitt fans would whine a little but the controversy would be over in 5 minutes. That should tell you something.

Here are two of them...
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That TB one is completely ridiculous.

It's par for the course.

Had the Chiefs played adequate football, that hold would've pissed me off. That play happens to Hali all the time. The explanation given has always been that Hali creates the hold through leans that force an otherwise legal block to slide up on him.

Essentially exactly what happened with the Harrison play.

And I think I've seen Hali get that flag once in the last 5-6 years. It just doesn't get called when guys have that kind of lean.

But like I said, I'm not blaming the ref when we played like shattered ass.

Enough with the mental gymnastics and excuses to minimize or rationalize things.

Drops or missed chances and the rest happen to both teams every game.

The officials swallowed their whistles until the most critical play of the game. They interjected to change the outcome and negate the score being tied up.

It's about the fundamentals of consistency. They let them play the whole night and didn't flag holds that were clear as day already posted here on Pittsburgh. You have to be an idiot if you think an official who threw the flag on the biggest play of the game didn't understand the significance of deciding arbitrarily that now is the time to call a flag for holding. That's willful intent to change the outcome by directly interceding.

Nevermind the fact that the hold in question when played in slow motion or you freeze frame it looks at first blush like a hold. No question. Then watch it at full speed in real-time, and it's debatable because Harrison appears to have lost his footing and his feet slip out from underneath him.

Which according to the rules is an exception to a holding penalty, so long as the blocker doesn't forcibly keep the defender from getting back up with his arms.

In addition, the ref calling the penalty must observe the entire sequence. He can't look over as a player is going to the ground and assume that it was the result of a penalty and infer a flaggable offense has occured.

Harrison even admitted himself that he ran himself out of the play and he'd draw a flag once in a blue moon.

The rest is conjecture, speculation, and dismissal regarding the events of how the team played up to that point. Same goes with assuming Pittsburgh would have kicked another FG and won regardless. We'll never know because the refs decided at the critical moment of the game to deviate from how they officiated the game up until then, and to do so when knowing the full implication of interjecting right then was tantamount to tipping the scales to favor one team over the other and getting a desired outcome.

Nothing anyone can say will to rationalize or excuse away the circumstances to change my mind in the fact that when the game was on the line it was decided by a subjective and inconsistent application of officiating to get the outcome they wanted plain and simple.
Full stop.

it's actually easier to recognize Hali on the field by the sight of a lineman's arm around this throat instead of the #91 on his jersey.

I wish we could've converted the second attempt just to see what BS penalty the refs would've come up with that time.

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It would have been a BS defensive holding (like the refs were letting them get away with all game) on a key 3rd down for Pitt.

If the NFL determines who advances and who does not, how the hell have the Cowboys -- the most popular NFL team -- not been to a Super Bowl in 20 years?

And given that the NFL obviously hates the Patriots, how do they keep winning so many games?

The NFL hates NE?

That's a joke. Tommy got his 4 games to placate other pissed off owners and then acted like a spoiled bitch fighting it for far too long.

As for the Cowboys, they've had shit teams or a QB whose gotten turnover happy in big games. Hard to advance when you piss down your leg. Just ask Peyton - King of the regular season.

By the way, NE and Dallas Aren't THE TOPIC Of Discussion.

Refs can only influence what they can influence really. Even with the crazy way that Pitt didn't get a single holding penalty the entire game and we got several questionable ones, we still could have won but dropped critical passes.

We screwed ourselves along with the refs.

I don't even know that its intentional bias but I see too much shit like Hali getting raped every other play and then the Pitt game goes down like it does and you have to shake your head and wonder.

Perception is reality.

Well, if based on the evidence that is pretty clear and convincing, it would seem that that perception is objectively rooted in fact.

Substitute the Chiefs for say the Giants, and the evidence and chatter would be flooding tv, radio, and print.

"Dez caught it!!!"

There's no question the national narrative would be different if a glory team had this happen to them.

We ain't that team.

And we had the game in our grasp a dozen times last night and never capitalized. The Chiefs made far more egregious mistakes than the mistake the officiating crew made on that play (if, in fact, it was a mistake at all).

And again, I don't think there's a chance in hell we stop Pittsburgh anyway, we hadn't all night.

So in a game where the team came out flat, the coaching staff seemed to be guessing and the execution was as poor as you'll ever see it, I'm simply not going to say "the officials screwed us!" and walk away in a huff.

The Chiefs didn't play well. At all. In any area of the game. And when that happens, you're supposed to lose.

They lost.

You think the NFL likes New England? That's a laugh. Goodell is so hated in New England he is now actively avoiding Gillette stadium. He's going BACK to Atlanta for the NFCCG to continue avoiding Gillette, where he hasn't been in two years even though it's very close to NFL HQ.

The NFL wouldn't move an inch out of its way to accommodate the Patriots. I don't believe in conspiracy theories, so I don't think (unlike some Pats fans) that they put the thumb on the scales to **** them, but I definitely don't think they put the thumb on the scales to help them either.


Shit teams like the one that had the #1 seed in the NFC this year? How about the Dez Bryant catch/no catch?

The topic is that the NFL rigs games. There is massive evidence that they don't, which you ignore because it doesn't fit your theory. Sorry to interfere with your narrative.

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Cowboys playoff years since they won the SB in 1995:

1996 -- 10-6 - one and done
1998 -- 10-6 - one and done
1999 -- 8-8 - one and done
2003 -- 10-6 - one and done
2006 -- 9-7 - one and done
2007 -- 13-3 - one and done
2009 -- 11-5 - one and done
2014 -- 12-4 - one and done
2016 -- 13-3 - one and done


The NFL sure seems pretty ****ing inept if they fix games but can't give the team with the LARGEST FANBASE IN THE NFL one lousy playoff win in 20 years.

Tuck rule is a shit rule (whcih is why it was repealed), but it was a rule. What's your point?

Just breakin' balls. LMAO

Fair 'nuf. :LOL:

They won playoff games in 2014, 2009 and 1996. Each of those years they won in the wild card round and lost in the divisional round.

Ah, I'm an idiot. Poorly done!

Ok, back to my original point -- can't even get the most popular team in the NFL (by largest fanbase) to the NFCCG much less the Super Bowl!!

(yeah, that)

The Cowboys are able to win wildcard playoff games? Jeez, the rich get richer. From our perspective, that's just a dream.

That's because it would be too obvious.

It's like Stone Cold being champion for 10 years straight

Still wanna disprove A by discussing B or C or etc...

I wonder what Mike Pereira would say about, IOW how he would weezle-out of the pics of all those calls that weren't called? Standard fare, "we can't see them all"?

Never ask an official about questionable officiating, they have each other's backs. He knows damn good and well his buddy was/is selective in his calls, and RE is too big of a pussy to show him the pics, and ask the question.

They call what they want to call, when they feel like it, based on some form of conscience and/or bias!

That's what's maddening, the league and it's system will ensure these ass-clowns will never have to answer more than softball questions.

WWE

Defend these no-calls then! Go ahead, hit us with the league's standard "we didn't see THOOOOSE", "They were away from the play", "There's a hold on every play." Which is it? THOSE are holding and DPI all day long. NOT called!

Enjoy your next SB win, I'm sure it's just thee weeks away.

#1, wrong... #2, drama.

The NFL is officially the WWE, they do what they need to do to sell tix and keep ratings up.

I hope Goodell contracts AIDS from the head of officiating so I can send them both a ****ing get well card showing Kelce jackin it!

The real problem is the only people they can't effectively silence on the national stage (team leaders), and one they really can't do shit about saying anything he wants (short of an irrelevant fine), won't be the voice of the Chiefs fan. The NFL will ensure no Chiefs fan gets to cross-examine the ****wad official and force him/them to explain the anomalies in what was called and what wasn't, but those other people have platforms they're choosing not to use. That's ****ed-up, and **** the organization for being cowards! They'll never get any true respect, just an appreciation pat on the back for being a good sport and letting the other teams fight it out for the big prize. Clark doesn't have to simply accept what most people will agree might be a hold, he has the platform to say, "before you tell me that's a hold, tell me why these weren't, then tell me Fisher's was a hold!" (then show the pics).

I'm probably wrong, but Clark impresses me as the man who would stand by and watch his wife get raped and do nothing.

I wonder where the official who threw the flag was lined up. I'm not sure how a side judge sees that block from his position, if that's where he lines up on a 2 point conversion(sideline)

Thanks for having the energy to make the points I'm too disappointed to attempt to make.

Many people today said it was a rough loss but thought it was a hold. When I showed them the pictures of the calls not made, they agreed they were worse. It sucks. Kc didn't get any help from the refs. In fact they got the short end.

There are so many plays that the actual chief players failed at. Just because they found a way back doesn't mean the last call negates all that.

Hell, if Sutton had made a real call maybe we get the ball back. If Andy reid didn't drain the clock on himself FOR THE SECOND FREAKING YEAR IN A ROW IN THE PLAYOFFS maybe we have two downs to play with. How about kelce catches a ball that would have changed the game. Or Wilson. Maybe Smith can see hill on a lb as a miss match. Maybe we could adjust to the run before the fourth quarter. Maybe our special team blocking doesn't get it's shit pushed in.

The pit running game sucked all the momentum and energy out of the offense. Our offense played with this weight that it wasn't getting the ball back if it punted and it was right. Pit didn't just get fgs. They controlled the game and that affected our offense. Focusing our anger on calls is not doing justice to what kc players do and don't deserve. We let pit control the game for all but the first 10 and last 10 minutes. And when that happens, yep, luck and bad calls come into it. It's playing with fire. It sucks. Would have been fun to see us try to beat ne. Kc should blame itself though.

I would love to see the refs called out for missing these calls, but it doesn't change that the chiefs are to blame. Just think what happens if Wilson or kelce catch their passes. That is at minimum 6 more points.

Cheffers himself called it.

When Hali was in his prime that could happen three plays in one drive. I think the NFL decided that they would quit calling holding on plays like that because then Hali would be unblockable. For them to take point off the board on the exact kind of play that had been ignored for years was egregious to Chiefs fans.

Not if you're ****-face Cheffers! Not that he or his crew missed that prticular call, but I'm sure Cheffers and other ****-face retired WWE/NFL refs would defend it as a good non-call (because it's the Chiefs!!!!). Somehow they would explain it away.

Who am I fooling, nobody's every going to question these ****ing idiot hacks unless it's on of the NFL's favored teams.