Pretty much.

Who the **** wanted that? I need to know so I can point and laugh.

its a very fluke way to generate/rely on getting touchdowns in todays NFL. Almost impossible to predict. Other teams, at this stage of the season just put it entirely on their QBs arm.

how is this any different than kc?

Thr board has gone to shit :facepalm:

Reid, just now in his presser, did no commit strongly to Alex for next year...

Asked if he is the man for next year, Andy just defaulted to his normal; "everyone will be evaluated"

Doesn't mean much, but he for sure did not give Alex a ringing endorsement in regards to being the QB next year.

Just sayin...

How is this year's QB draft class shaping up?

I don't see an FA QB available except possibly Cousins. He is better than Alex though but I highly doubt the Redskins let him hit FA.

We already have him on our roster.

Tyler Bray.

Big Ben...Big Bray.

No true studs, but several that could do well if they sit a year and learn. Which we have the ideal situation for.

Kizer, Trubisky, Watson and Mahomes are the only ones worth considering but they'll be gone well before KC picks.

They'll probably take Beathard in the 6th and the usual suspects will polish the way turd as some sort of legit prospect a la Kevin Hogan and Aaron Murray were.

Alex is far from the main or only reason KC lost last night, but he still sucks ****ing balls. I have zero faith in the guy to not play like shit 90% of the time. To hope and pray for that 10% of the time, in the playoffs none-the-less, is ****ing asinine. You either have a good QB or you don't, and KC does not. Period. And this horseshit I read all season about how he just wins? **** off. Stick a giant ****ing hot poker square up your ****ing asshole if you think Alex Smith wins games. Aaron Rodgers wins games. Tom Brady wins games. Alex Smith manages to generally not **** up bad enough to lose games on his own accord, but he sure as **** doesn't win games. Give me a real QB once in my lifetime Kansas City. You have 3 years, the clock is ticking.

Speaking at Monday's season-ending presser, Chiefs coach Andy Reid committed to Alex Smith as his 2017 quarterback.

"Do I still think we can win with Alex?," Reid asked rhetorically. "Yeah, we were right there." It's not exactly the most ringing endorsement, but due $13.3 million between salary and bonuses, Smith will almost certainly be back under center for a fifth season in Kansas City. Smith has made no progress as a Chief, stubbornly minding the store while trying to avoid mistakes at all costs. With Smith going on 33, the Chiefs at the very least need a plan-of-succession in mind.
Source: Andrew Siciliano on Twitter

Same as it ever was

Of course.

We can throw next year and draft Drew Lock. Or we can argue about how good he is and try the next Hunt-ordered Alex Smith experiment. Sooner or later a Tom Brady will fall out of the sky into the Chiefs long-awaiting arms.














Then we'll trade him off the practice squad to the Cowboys and start the next Elvis.

Totally this. Totally clean pocket counts to three and it's time to scramble or checkdown.

Again, you can't deny anything I'm saying. He missed open receivers down field ALL ****ING NIGHT! He shits his pants at the first sign of pressure, and you think its all on the oline because they aren't the 03 Chiefs Oline. Jesus ****ing christ, I don't even think he can read a defense because he had Hill one on one with a LB, and didn't even look at him.

Smith is only slightly better than Cassel. Time to move on.

Reid really can't say shit right now. They've let two of the three "developmental" draftees walk in FA and are most likely looking at entering 2017 with only Smith and Bray at QB considering what the cap looks like. They'll have to draft a QB next season just for depth reasons and openly talking about moving away from Smith makes it extremely hard to be in a position to draft a replacement.

I am all for moving on but the replacement HAS to be an upgrade. We have a great foundation right now we need some more pieces but KC is a contender with the 3rd youngest roster in the league.

Draft a guy and develop while Smith plays next year is most likely scenario.

You can complain about him missing Maclin once, and Tyreek once but the fact is he scored A TD on the final drive which required converting 4th downs to Conley and Sherman.

You are old and blind, football takes are bad.

#Chiefs can keep QB Alex Smith at $16.9 mil next year, or cut him for $7.2 mil in dead cap. He's due a $2 mil roster bonus on March 11.

Or cut him after 2017 season for 3 million and draft his replacement this season. Much better option IMO.

Well, bye.

Most likely option and I have assumed he was gone after next year barring a SB run.

Because then you and tiger could go to a browns board and be gone.

I would be ok with that but from what you and others posted doesn't seem to be really any good draft options.

Maybe they should try to make a play for Cousins?

I don't understand why Dorsey would keep Smith when it's clear he can't get it done. Surely Andy would not be too upset to start Foles and draft a QB. Foles was his draft pick after all. Dorsey has the power and needs to use it.

No to Cousins

I think they are good prospects, just have warts to start in 2017. Watson for example would be great to sit behind Smith for a year and then in 2018 be ready to take over.

OP, in summary, this thread came 1-2 years too early. But one day you'll get to look back and say 'hey, I was right'

It's simple really. Good enough to get minimum 8 regular season wins - which will keep butts in the seats and the parking lot full - but not good enough to realistically do anything serious in the playoffs.

And keep their jobs.

It's different because I(EYE), Iowanian DO NOT cheer for or get sad when Cleveland loses because their qb is substandard.

Cleveland gets their best guy since Kosar, I don't have to watch Alex Smith playing cowardly lion quarterback. Win-Win.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eKS87MPI4C...ly-lion-oz.jpg
Quote: Alex Smith, QB of the Kansas City Chiefs fakes the statue of liberty play just before cleverly dumping off a wr screen or rb check down pass for -2 yards.

Alex Smith stands in the pocket like Dorothy is about to smack him with her purse.

Decades?

LMAO

Alex Smith it not the best QB the Chiefs have had in decades. Good God.

At this point, I am okay with Alex leaving, if for no other reason than it will get rid of dumb-asses like Tiger, who are just Alex fans and not Chiefs fans.

Chiefs will not win anything with Alex, so whether he is with the team next year or not simply does not matter.

Keep Alex or Foles to start and mind the store. Cut Bray. Draft 2 QB's in the upcoming draft and let's see what happens.

Andy always wanted Alex, even before Dorsey was hired. It's Andy's call

Don't worry Tiger, I got this....
"Your football takes suck"

Smith shoulders a fair share from yesterday. There are enough other things that happened that the ultra pro Smith crowd will use as excuses. He got little help. We couldn't run the ball and some huge drops. That's why I have a hard time being mad at some obvious bad calls by the refs. If the chiefs offense shows up at all we win the game. They disappeared for 2.5 quarters. Alex missing wide open hill multiple times didn't help.

Problem is we don't have many options. There isn't a likely upgrade available.

There were receivers open down field all night. Not just once or twice. The one that I keep coming back to would have been an easy 6. Presnap, there was a linebacker covering Hill.... How do you not audible to a hot route, and get him the ball 2 seconds after the snap? How do you not even look that way during the play? Then all of a sudden, that TD on the final drive is a game clinching drive.

I think that fine from a business perspective and I absolutely appreciate what Smith has done for the Chiefs by bringing the franchise out of the abyss.


But it's time to move on. They are not progressing. They are stagnant.

Andy will give up buffets before he gives up Alex.


Prepare for Cassel Part II: The Forced QB Redux.

It's not his call. Maybe his desire but not his call. Dorsey has final say in players and the experience with scouting and QBs to make it. He should tell Andy we are moving on.

You mean Chris Ballard should tell Andy they are moving on?


Ha.

Hopefully Alex Smith takes moped driving lessons from Percy Snow in the offseason.

These people hoping he's going to be gone will be disappointed.

The minute the Chiefs won the division he was guaranteed to return.

Just don't give him another contract.

The last thing this fan base needs to debate over is whether 35-year old Alex Smith can win a Super Bowl.

"He can still scramble a little."

"Just need to lean on the running game."

"D needs to step up."

Christ.

Smith is going to get an extension. Just go ahead and accept that reality because it's happening.

I agree with the title of this thread plus I think the Chiefs should move on from Andy Reid and Bob Sutton.

I want a new regime in place that's young and will provide sound overall coaching with good player development, good game planning and sound in game decision making/adjustments.

I'm convinced Chiefs will never win with Andy Reid, Alex Smith and Bob Sutton. They're just too damn conservative and lack logic. How can any franchise win anything when it's leaders are fear dominant and ignorant? Fear and ignorance are the enemy of success and the Chiefs reek of that!

Draft and develop a quarterback and get a new coaching regime with smarts and balls.

The NFL today guys is about finding that right QB-coach chemistry. Why do you think the Patriots win all the time? Because they got the best QB-coach chemistry that no other franchise or team could match.

We just have to accept that they're better and until Brady-Belicheck are gone, Chiefs ain't winning. The strategy stated above, is to prepare this team 3, 4 years ahead from now.

*Imo, the Chiefs have a core. They should keep that intact and re-sign guys like Berry, Poe, DJ. Pittsburgh proves that keeping your team nucleus intact is a remedy for success. Chiefs should follow that sort of bluebrint. And yeah meanwhile explore and go through that journey of finding that franchise QB via draft and possibly find that young upcoming coach through the collegiate ranks that will someday make an excellent coach in the NFL? I think this is the Chiefs best option for success. Question is, is this franchise capable of being that schrewd by finding those hidden gems? I don't have the confidence or belief that they are.

My feeling is that he won't. Reid was more inclined to trade McNabb than extend him when it was clear he was done as an NFL starter.

Smith toed that line this year. Usually when NFL QBs are about ready to fall off a cliff, a small decline is followed by a precipitous drop the next season. Doesn't always happen to guys at the same age. Some can stave it off til their late 30s, others it happens around 33/34.

We saw a drop in TDs, a major drop in rushing yards, an uptick in turnovers, and two more concussions throw into the mix.

33-year old Alex, a step slower, a tick more cautious, thinking more of his health and family than glory and football....it's coming.

Reid will see the writing on the wall and move on. Especially with a QB far less productive than McNabb ever was.

Emotional post not grounded in logic or evidence.

Alex Smith wasn't the issue last night. Neither was Reid. Neither was Sutton. The Chiefs couldn't run the ball and they couldn't stop the run. No amount of scheming is going to change that.

You can scheme and coach all you want, but you have to win your 1v1 battles. If you can't do that nothing else matters. Players have to play.

Kelce has to catch the ****ing ball.
Poe and the interior line can't get pushed back off the snap.
Jah Reid can't get blown past and beaten badly like that.
West can't drop the ball while running.

The O-line hasn't won the battle up front in the running game all ****ing season.

I agree. Dorsey has proven that he knows talent. Reid has proven that he'll praise and praise and praise his Qb to the media, but has never been shy about making a change.

They haven't extended Smith yet. He's now on a prove it deal.

The Steelers made the Chiefs one-dimensional last night and it's not like it was hard. They haven't been able to run all season.

The Chiefs were exactly who they've always been, and it still took a flukey holding call to lose.

Just draft and develop a guy and I wouldn't be that upset with seeing Alex go another year or 2. The fact this franchise is so dead set against that just plain sucks.

So who is ultimately responsible for the OL? Of course it is on Reid. 4 years, same system, same coaches and same sh**** results.
Pats OL got ran out of Denver last year in the AFCCG. They fired their OL coach, coaxed the great Scarnecchia back and look how it has looked all of this season. With Reid it is always the patented "its on me, we will look at the tape and fix issues.".

It wasn't that the Chiefs couldn't run the ball. They didn't bother trying

Dorsey and Andy should sit down and watch the game films and make a decision based on that. Not the team record. If they do that he will not be extended.

Sorry have to spread some rep around first :)

I hate to say this, but I can totally see Tyrod Taylor being signed if/when Buffalo releases him. I can see Andy wanting him for his scheme.

Here's the play that pissed me off all night last night. JFC this is embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/claywendler/stat...23434457497600

And yes I realize this is Clay. He was the only one that has the all 22 at the moment

Clay or not, that play is Alex Smith in a nutshell. He can make good plays sometimes, but never the great play. These opportunities do not come up all the time, you have to jump on them when they do....and Alex just cannot do it.

Harrison was not even close when Smith panicked and took off.
WTF do our coaches see on film? This is one of several times Smith must have done the same.

Funny. The "he wins" argument doesn't work for Smith, and he's won more than almost any QB for several yrs.

Foles won vs one of the worst teams in the NFL at home, and didn't look very good or put up a lot of points. He did look good vs the Colts, but so did Alex in limited time, and every other QB that faced that defense.

If I were to guess what would happen if Foles took over, as the team is built now, I'd say he completes more deep passes, is a little more fun to watch, but makes more mistakes and doesn't win more games.

Very good perspective in these posts.

Same. It's time. No Smith extension. Give him 2017 while developing a day 2 rookie.

He did it all ****ing season long and did it all season long last year, and the year before, and the year before. He simply is not a big time, play making QB. He is a pussy who looks first read, might glance at second read and if neither are open he begins pissing down his leg and runs out of the pocket. It is literally what Alex Smith has always done as a NFL QB.

That's a TD to Tyreek if Foles is the QB. Also probably a TD if it's a rookie as well

Alex knows he can't really make that throw, and he usually won't make a throw he's not sure of (unless forced to).

That's the first I've watched that since it happened in game. JFC that's inexcusably bad.

I wonder if the fans are going to have to fly another banner before the Hunts give in and force some change?

If the fans fly a banner after four winning seasons and making the playoffs 3 out 4 years, the Hunts will consider moving the team before benching Alex or firing Andy.

Flying a banner would be stupid at this point. It would have the opposite effect.

This is depressing

You come to CP the day after such a KC loss.. and expected to not be depressed? :hmmm:

Good Lord.

After reading all these thoughtful post (I mean the in depth analysis is something to truly marvel), I've now come to the conclusion that it is all Alex's fault and we should can him, Reid and Dorsey.

Lets go back to the glory days before they got here!

God what a bunch of freaking crybabies and stupid ones at that.

THICK skin is a must here. Smith has been getting this from day 1. Shrug it off.

So, we're trapped... Nice!

**** it, fly the banner! Clark's not moving shit. And if he does, he'll have to not only move the team, but change his ways because he's not going to find another KC (80,000 screaming farmers who show because there's seemingly less to do), and this shit isn't going to fly in a really big city. I dare him! Maybe he can move to Vegas, or Tahoe, so people might fly into town to see their team lose crushing home games. I can be a fan of the Omaha Chiefs, or the San Antonio Chiefs, or the Va. Beach Chiefs, or the Fargo Chiefs. Perhaps Chicago could support a 2nd team? Oh, here's an idea, the Rome Chiefs.. The Romans are coming, the Romans are coming!!!

Yeah, Clark isn't moving shit, don't ever worry about that.

"45, 46, 47...."

Yeah, that's some classic Alex shit right there.

Does anybody ever stop to wonder why the Chiefs have difficulty in their running game? Do you think that maybe the lack of a deep passing game might influence the way opposing defenses scheme and play against the Chiefs? If all you ever do is run and throw sideways, how are defenses going to play you?

Well "we" get it, Andy doesn't.