The Spirit isn’t feeling surgery.

So he’s seen his shadow? Six more months of no football?

He literally IS cancer...or WAS cancer, at least.

Nobody is moving any goal posts here bro. You're vision is so bad, that you just think so...The issue lies with you - just as it always has.

You are wrong. You have been proven completly wrong by your own account. You represent exactly what can be very wrong with this place - in that this is just a BB, yet too many people, of which you are one of, simply cant admit when they're wrong. Being that you're a mod makes it worse.

Time for me to let bygones be bygones and move on. You can keep doing whatever you do.

Lets not act like about 99% of this board wasnt ecstatic wuen Berry was signed and he was arguably the best Safety in the league.

Yip

Yep. We were talking about this very scenario back in like October when the Haglund's story came out.

Maybe they could get in there with the de Vinci

So Patrick Chung is already having surgery 3 days after the super bowl. Eric Berry, meanwhile, is sitting on his worthless ass counting the money he's being paid for doing nothing.

Par for the course unfortunately.

**** Berry. Why isn’t he getting surgery??

He’s probably retiring

But let's bitch about it non-stop in the meantime at least!

Reid said in his season ending press conference that Berry would be back.

So either he's coming back or they don't know he's retiring.

CP in January: Eric Berry is gonna get surgery right after the Super Bowl, fail his physical, and **** the Chiefs! **** Eric Berry!

CP in February: Why hasn't Eric Berry gotten surgery yet?! **** Eric Berry!

I hope that it was just coach-speak. Maybe to throw up a smokescreen as to what KC will look for in the draft.

I can see no reason to not make Berry a post-June 1 cut. At least salvage something from his ridiculous cap hit and move on.

Day to day.

Something's not adding up. If Berry is retiring, either he hasn't told the team or they are hiding it for now.

I'm obviously no expert on the matter, but if he's coming back it seems painfully clear that he needs surgery. The rest and rehab route obviously failed miserably this year and won't work next year. So he needs surgery, and the hold up is what exactly?

ROFLROFL

We're all oversimplifying it, IMO.

I don't think he's going to play next year. And I think it's going to be a bit shocking when the truth finally comes out. Remember when Berry said "it's complicated"?

Something is going on with this way beyond what we're privy to, like he has cancer again or he can't have surgery because of his Achilles issues or something. I imagine it will make more sense when it's all said and done and he's no longer on the team (which is where I think this is ultimately headed).

This is where I am leaning.

The idiots complaining about him not having surgery yet miss that as soon as he does his contract is locked in for another year.

Bingo.

Does anyone know if Berry or the team even have to announce if he has surgery? I doubt there are any NFL rules on that.

So what if Berry doesn't get surgery before March (or June)? Someone said that if he has to have surgery that the Chiefs can't cut him. What if he chooses to not get surgery? Can the Chiefs cut him?

They certainly don't have to, but from a PR standpoint you'd think both Berry and the Chiefs would agree that an announcement would go a long ways towards smoothing things over with fans who were upset with how this has been handled.

I believe he can still be cut, it's just that his salary for the year would be fully guaranteed and the savings wouldn't be as much.

Really?

Just look at this thread and the hostility therein.

You know darn well that anything they say is going to be "wrong" and people are going to be angry anyway.

There's only 2 things that would make people happy at this point and one of them is impossible since the season is over.

If he passes a physical in March they better cut him.

I don’t wish bad for him and TBH if he was able to suit up and produce that would be the ideal storyline. I hope he doesn’t have to deal with a cancer again. Cancer ****ing sucks and needs wiped off the face of the earth.

I would have loved to see him suit up and play at a high level again. However, it appears that ship has sailed. He was bad in the AFCCG.

Hopefully, everybody can move on over the next few weeks, him included. I hope he has the best life possible away from football. I just think his playing days are over.

This is what I am beginning to think and it makes a shitload of sense in terms of everyone being so quiet about this. Can you imagine what would happen if it came out that he had cancer again and everyone knows Clark was responsible for negating that insurance clause in the contract, and that we lost a ****ing GM over that shit?

Hoo-boy. You want to talk about ugly? Oh my God that man would get torn to ****ing pieces. Raggedy, dead meat pieces.

If true that Berry has cancer again then I feel for him in that regard and wish that disease on no man. But boy, this was sure handled like shit if true. :shake:

Seriously dude, no one would ****ing care.

Only you and a few others concern yourselves with this shit. There's no evidence what so ever that we lost a GM "over that shit".

ROFL


Ok. So...

What role do you think clark hunt had in getting eric Berry's deal done?

My account is that Dorsey insisted that berry take his own money to pay for an insurance policy that was payable to the team if his cancer came back. Clark Hunt said that wasn't acceptable. Dorsey did the deal without that.

You've said in this thread yourself that you think Dorsey didn't WANT to sign berry and clark made him.

Ive asked you to prove that, which you can't. Yet you still insist it happened.

Now you're saying ive proven myself wrong on this. How I have no clue. Please enlighten me on what I said that points to Dorsey not wanting to sign berry and clark made him.

I would think we more likely lost a GM over the whole maclin situation...

But these guys just roll with things they make up.

And actually I think it would make clark look BETTER that he paid the guy when he had cancer, re signed him knowing it could come back, didn't make him buy his own insurance to cover it, and paid him again when it came back.

Clark Hunt would be ****ing owner of the year.

And does anyone even know if the chiefs could or even did take out a policy covering it themselves?

Cut Berry and Houston in June
Save the money and move on.

This.

NO ONE in the media is going to rip CH for paying an all-pro who got cancer. There's no negative PR there. Ever. It won't happen.

It's sad that SDH has turned into the Taco John of the Lounge. Oooof.

Nate Taylor has repeated several times in Q&A on the Athletic that the players have so much respect for Berry that he cant even imagine the team cutting him.

I'm still thinking he may retire though.

I'm thinking some people would probably care. I don't why and where you and a few others have created this "Berry Bubble" where the majority of fans just look at EB chilling on the sidelines and think, "oh, that's cool".

Or, that Clark pays Berry all this money while firing the GM and looks like "Owner of the Year" to NFL fans the world over. What other NFL owner would look at that situation and not think "Rube of the Year"?

You and others are simply lucky that no one is actually saying anything. But give it time; every single bit of this will eventually come to light. This isn't the NSA after all.

Clark is very well respected by the other owners... i'm sure they aren't letting someone that they think is a rube negotiate for them.

This is true, Clark is very respected. I just hope he's taken his "learning moment" to heart because that and how he chooses to do business post-AFCCG loss are going to determine positive or negative outputs for years to come.

That's the salary cap and GM's job. I'm sure he lets them do that stuff.

Most likely an insurance policy makes no difference at this point.

At a certain point you just get sick of rehab. Cancer, torn ACL, torn Achilles and now this.

His body has to be about done.

Paying Berry was stupid from the get go. Imagine not having that albatross of a contract on the books. We could actually put together a competent defense.

He hasn’t had surgery yet??????

What’s the holdup?

If he didn't get hurt, the contract would be bad, but we'd have a competent defense. It's not his contract that ****ed us. It's him playing basically no games while on the contract. If he'd continued playing like he did in 2016, I wouldn't give 2 shits what we're paying him.

And neither would anyone else. The problem now is that we have two seasons of Berry doing nothing to fix his Haglunds, just hanging about and acting like the condition is somehow going to magically clear up and go on its way. And then when he finally DOES play, its absolutely atrocious. The guy looks like he's running in mud on his way to the glue factory.
So rather than get surgery and spend all that down time rehabbing, we're now stuck with a guy that shows no signs of heading to the operating table, and whose play is not going to improve unless he does. And even then, his play may NOT improve if he were to get the surgery and then rehab for another 8 to 10 months due to all of the time he will have missed at that point!
It's a lose/lose for everyone. The only way to make anything resembling hay out of this mess is to do the June 1st cut and keep what we can.

Haven't really followed the thread that closely, but are we speculating Berry may be retiring because he has not had surgery on his foot yet?

Nobody knows either way. He may have - but no one knows. Matt Derrick hadn't heard as of this week, he has inside the locker connections. Just FWIW

Hate to say it, but it's time to cut bait with EB. Would not be surprised to see Earl Thomas go to the Chiefs or Cowboys. Would like Collins, but I think he'll be resigned in New York.

Want to throw this out there. Based on no info at all. Just something that had me wondering. Given all the treatments he's had to go through, which sucks, is there any chance there's something... Favre like... About the whole deal? Can't really blame him. Just wondering.

No.

LMAO

Thank you!

So we are going to keep Berry and pray the AIDS he has in his heel cooperates on gamedays?


Great 3 years of this shit...

I was hinting at... Is it possible hes been on painkillers for so long that he's having trouble dealing with it

If they cut Berry it has to be designated post June 1. But the problem is (I think) they still carry that cap # all through free agency. So it doesn't clear up much room for signing the bulk of the free agent class.

So even if they save $9M or whatever - who's still around to spend it on? At that point they might just decide to gambool and hope we get a full season of decent Berry.

Frees up money to pay Hill/Jones, though.

it allows you to basically go right up the cap number because june 1st you're getting 9 million

Go sit with the flat earth people...

He should have had the ****ing surgery at the beginning of last year once we found out what it was and he'd be back on the field by the end of this preseason...

I didn't say it happened. Im just asking the question and I don't see why it's a weird one to ask.

That's true.

So he's out there just rambling incoherently during those pregame speeches?

It's all starting to make sense now. That's exactly how the defense played.

Seriously, you think EB29 feels it in his Spirit to take painkillers. Only thing he feels in his Spirit is to rape our salary cap situation during MVP’s rookie contract.

I'm stymied at why he didn't begin the investigative process at the end of the 2017 season or well before. If he had found out in say, late fall of 2017 that he did or did not need surgery at that time, it would have allowed all parties to formulate a better plan for 2018.
This whole thing has been handled very strangely.

I'm thinking the painkillers ARE "the spirit" at this point.

Good point, I always forget that.

It really sucks seeing an article on bleacher report about how bad the contracts that safeties are getting are, only to realize we're still paying this piece of shit $16 million to do ****ing nothing.

One day I'm going to check out this thread and see that EB has been cut!

When Collins gets here, everything will be okay.

We've been trying to trade Huston and/or Ford now for quite awhile. Why aren't we actively trying to trade Berry if he's supposedly healthy? I mean heck, at least Huston and Ford contributed on the field last year. Berry just huddled with his spirit. Right now I'd trade Berry for a used football just to get rid of his contract. :shrug:

I think the reality is that Berry got sideways with the coaching staff or organization somewhere, and it's been kept somewhat under wraps. It's the only thing that makes sense. His contract and personal situation makes him a player somewhat impervious to public scrutiny, so the coaching staff didn't really call him out...

Except they did. Subtly, but it happened. Reid talking about doctors agreeing and saying Berry would play "if he FELT ready" which all indicates to me that team doctors cleared him, and Berry's doctors didn't.

I wonder if this all goes back to Houston's knee, actually? As fans, which we bitched about shitty knee procedures on Tamba and Houston (and Jamaal?) maybe there was a feeling among the defenders that the Chiefs medical/training staff were ****ing up players' careers.

Holy shit, as I'm typing this, I think I am convincing myself that is absolutely, 100% the only logical explanation.

Houston, Berry watched theirs and others' knees get ****ed up and not properly cared for by team doctors. They bitch about Rick Burkholder, which is why Andy Reid publicly defends him. It's also why I know his ****ing name. There has been drama playing out behind the scenes between the players and coaching staff, with the MEDICAL STAFF as the point of contention between them.

If the Chiefs turn over their medical staff, then I think you see Berry and Houston back in uniform this fall and playing at a high level. If Reid/Veach choose their staff over the players, then both guys will be sent packing.

I'M A CONSPIRACY GENIUS. BOOK IT.

You put way too much thought into this. Let me simplify... It doesnt matter how or why we got here, the fact is we are here now. Berry is done and needs to be cut. Period. If Houston wont restructure and cant be traded, then he needs to go too. Both contracts are terrible for KC. Both players are not worh the $$$ and have not contributed to the level at which they have been paid. There is no reason to continue to over pay for their services. The saved $$$ can be better spent elsewhere. The end.

LMAO

Is Burkholder the top team Doc? Which player bitched about him?

Even if all this is true, it still doesn't make any sense as to why Berry wouldn't consult a specialist regarding his condition back in fall 2017, ESPECIALLY if he didn't trust the on-site medical staff.

I do recall a lot of people here complaining about the team doctors and how they seemed like quacks who couldn't keep players off the bench though. I also recall that a lot of people ran to their defense as well.

yes

He did

You're talking process story and I'm talking policy story.

Gotcha.

With all of the FA top end safeties this year, it's like the stars are aligning for us making this the perfect time to cut Berry....but we probably won't do it.