Crystal’s gf got a pay day.

What am I suppose to deny again? Remind me.

Either scenario is possible

I threatened to have my ex-wife's new husband's legs broken, and threatened to beat his ass...while on a recording she was serruptitiously making in order to bait me into admitting that I abused her during our marriage while we were fighting for custody.

She lied and twisted the truth and had me so ****ed up that I said some shit I shouldn't have said.

The woman who used to punch herself in the face when she was pregnant to try and get me in trouble (like the cops couldn't tell she punched herself...)

She got things so twisted in her head, she really actually believed I physically abused her, when the worst thing I ever did physically was restrain her.

She got me so frustrated and so twisted that I said a LOT of things I shouldn't have said.

Hot, crazy chicks with the voodoo can have that effect.

I smell Crystal Espinosa here.

Can you be a bit more specific on what the other scenario was?

That was dishonorable for the DA to not cite the statute or ordinance and the mental state required for the "crime"

If he is bound by confidentiality to not cite the statute or ordinance and the mental state, then cowardly claiming "crime" is just race-baiting the portion of the mob that is susceptible to race baiting.

Then why were no charges filed genius?

DFS typically wants to keep kids united with the family, since it's pretty traumatic for a kid to be removed from their home. I don't think the kid gets removed if he accidentally broke his arm. If tyreek was playing too rough he might attend parenting classes. Removing a kid is tough and requires that the state convince a judge that a child is immediate danger by remaining at home.

Is it impossible for the state to be wrong? No of course not but tyreek did choke his pregnant girlfriend, there's a history of domestic violence there.

Because the mother admitted that she ****ing defended him the first time questions were brought up.

Did you even listen to the audio?

Hopeless.

I'm asking you to explain this other scenario I'm suppose to deny and you can't do it. Why am I the hopeless one?

You could even simply link me to your scenario game that you initially posted but you cant even do that.

I felt from the beginning the need to have a press conference to announce no charges were being filed was kind of odd. And that it was more of an implication of guilt.

but that's not in my wheel house and could be perfectly normal. :shrug:

Because youre just stringing it along. It’s literally the two stances in the entire thread, yet I need to elaborate?

Yeah, if she wanted a payday, she went to KCTV5. I bet they were willing to pay more than TMZ.

Yes, she did admit to perjury.

Which means that she's a liar and we can't believe a single thing she's ever said, other than that she lied and she's a liar.

So without a chain of custody, how do we know this isn't edited?

You mean the other stance that he is being baited by his wife?

I'm pretty sure that I've already addressed that and whether or not he is being baited by his wife he didn't aggressively deny her allegations.

So is it possible she is baiting him? Sure.

Does that mean a ****ing thing when it comes to his response? No.

Thank you.

we don't.

Once an animal, always an animal.

God dammit. Stupid son of a bitch.

Again, you do not understand what perjury is.

I came into this thread late, Mr. Marcellus ...

I see now that emotions are high and lines have been drawn. Matters of great importance are at stake and lives at risk. I get it ...

So, I'm going with the "too soon" defense. (While relying on the established science that proves demon possession of mixed-race children is both horrific and difficult to diagnose.)

That ... and the more obvious and certain fact that this little family is a f***ed up mess. Domestic violence? Belt whoopin's? Stair throwin's? Secret recordings? Friends dishing up tapes to the press? Tweeting inlaws? Jesus ... this is a mud hole I prefer not to wallow in.

Many of you know that I've supported Tyreek so far. That's because I personally haven't seen a single thing in the papers, on TV, or on anybody's twatter feed that "proves" he's done anything wrong.

Still, if he is an abuser (of either women or children or animals), he won't catch any slack from me. I have never once ... neither in RL nor here ... defended abusers of any ilk. Frankly, I grew up in a community rife with ignorance, alcohol, and violence. I well know what it does, what it means, and why I abhor the concept. There's no end to the destruction it causes ...

But the tape in the OP doesn't "prove" anything either. Doesn't look good ... granted. Actually, it's creepy as hell. Yet, the conversation contained therein fails to reach a reasonable standard of definitive evidence proving Tyreek is an abuser (IMHO). Additionally, some posts have referenced other information that, apparently, isn't in the OP ... I haven't seen or heard any of that, so far.

Meanwhile, anyone who implies or suggests that I protect or admire abusers can kiss my ass ... literally. The same goes for anyone who thinks I should check my brain and sensibilities at the login.

And I've said this before ... there are no "winners" in this deal. Nobody "wins" here. This is a situation in which everybody loses ... the child, Baby Mama, Momma Mama, Inlaw Mama, Tyreek, the Chiefs, us ... everybody.

Taking "sides" in a situation like that is a hell of a thing.

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Not everything deserves a response....I wouldn't have dignified it with a response, either.

Lack of denial doesn't equal guilt, either.

Perjury, mother ****er. Learn what it means.

How can you be taken seriously when you are this stupid.

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Hard cosign.

I'm probably biased because I've been baited by my baby mama on a recording, and I know what that shit sounds like.

Are we discussing "punching" or "throwing down the stairs", Mr. jd1020?

What kind of "corporal punishment" is either one?

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Thanks for sharing — it’s appreciated.

**** her and you

She lied to the prosecutor, in court.

Perjury, mother****er, YOU look it up.

Who said anything about "throwing down the stairs"?

When the **** did this go to court?

Again, you do not understand the definition of perjury.

You called the 3-year-old child that was abused a "whiney (sic) little bitch." Think that speaks for itself.

So, she admitted that she's a liar.

Why does anyone believe a single word that comes out of her dicksucker?

Dude, they went to family court.

They testified.

TYREEK WAIVED HIS FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND COOPERATED.

No charges were filed.

THEY LOST CUSTODY OF THEIR KID.

God DAMN, people are stupid.

What's frustrating to me is pretty simple --

First off, just like Donald Sterling, you shouldn't be damned because of secret audio recordings that you're not consenting. Of course when he tells the fiance that she should be terrified of him -- that's awful. But he's also saying this in confidence in a moment where he is clearly worked up. On top of that, you can tell by him mumbling under his breath he is upset, hurt and is saying things he doesn't necessarily mean. I can't damn a guy to hell for something like that.

That said, in 2019, there is no coming back. Nobody is going to allow him to play with KC. The frustrating thing for me, as a fan, is he will be picked up by 2021 by another team. Another team will go through the same motions Dorsey went through, reference his counseling and his "last chance", and he will go to another team for nothing and we will have to watch that as Chiefs fans.

IF TEAMS are going to have to release these guys to stay ahead of the lynch mob and pretend the NFL is full of good people -- the NFL needs to put these guys on exempt lists where they are not employees of any team, and no team can sign them, release them, trade them, or do anything. They are in purgatory. Once they are (if they are) reinstated by the NFL, the team that had their rights has 30 days to determine cut or keep. If they cut, then the player goes in to the supplemental draft and the other 31 teams can blind bid away a draft pick to see who gets to sign the guy.

If he's an abuser?

Why did he go in the fifth round of the draft again?

The audio doesn't prove anything. The only bad part is when he says 'you should be afraid too' or whatever.

Who leaked the audio, the fiance' or the police?

I will have to go back and listen again but I'm pretty sure the most damning bit is when she accuses him of punching him in the chest and he definitely doesn't denny it, and I think he gets defensive and talks about her transgressions. Couple that with beating/ whipping a 3 year old child with a belt? That is without a doubt child abuse. How is it not?

As a father, listening to that audio was more than enough for me to levy child abuse charges. With his history I believe Goodell should end his career. It only hurts from a purely football aspect. He was given a second chance and appears to have made zero changes and gotten worse which is hard to imagine.

Whether he's guilty or not, you have got to reach really really deep based on what we know to pin this on her. Whether she baited him or not, he owns the reaction. Maybe you don't think this warrants a punishment. But this is really reaching and make us look really small to want it this badly for him to be completely clean on this. Even if he's innocent there is zero way this looks good on him at this point, and that is nobody's fault but his.

This might be the dumbest post I've ever read

Now see? This right here is an example of rational, reasonable talk ... thanks, Mr. Mulliganman. Prop-things to you ...

To your point ...

"Stretch" aspects are all over the place here. For some, it's a "stretch" that Tyreek is innocent. For others, it's a stretch that he's already been proven guilty. Some ignore either possibility simply because he's a great football player. Some have exactly the opposite view and want him hung as an example to other football players.

Ugly situations like this turn people ugly. They just do. It's like an ugly bomb and everybody gets a little on them.

And that, my friend, is why civilization has rules. In our case, we have a rule that says, "innocent until proven guilty". We have "due process" and "entitlement of fair treatment" regardless of circumstances, race, wealth, position, or standing.

All I'm asking for (from society, the Chiefs, the NFL, and every other motherf***er I encounter) is that we abide by those rules.

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****, for all we know, she lied about that, too.

Because she's a liar.

Punching someone is assault you dumb **** and hes telling a woman hes already beat up while pregnant should be terrified of him.

'The television station said the more than 11-minute long recording was made while the couple walked through Dubai International Airport. The Star could not independently confirm Thursday it was Hill and Espinal on the recording.'

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nf...#storylink=cpy

Dubai? Who the hell goes there? It sure doesn't sound like a public place.

I believe you are getting stupidity mixed up with not well informed.

A lot of people haven't followed every second of this shit.

So now Tyreek Hill pled guilty to abusing someone he didn't abuse, jeopardized his entire career in the process, and never once protested his innocence.

For what reason?

her "friend"

What exactly do you think perjury is or what The Fifth Amendment means?

Or you could just indefinitely suspend while we monitor his progress in programs that will help him be a better person and parent. Then either pick an NFC team to trade him to or let him play after he’s “better.”

There's no arguing taste. :D

Well, those people need to shut the **** up, put their pitchforks away, and inform themselves instead of posting bullshit and telling me that I don't know what perjury means, just because they don't understand that family court, while different than criminal or civil court, is still a ****ing court of law.

And that Tyreek and Crystal testified under oath.

There is actual audio. More than can be said for zeke and big Ben (and I think Adrian Peterson) . And while big Ben had some history neither of the two were skating on nearly the same kind of thin ice. Maybe not for a crime. But with the NFL... He's dead meat for a while.

What in the hell is your problem? Can anyone in this cesspool discuss anything without calling people dumbshit, dumb****, dumbass? There doesn't even need to be an argument before someone goes off.

Maybe you should go work out at the gym or something to Lose some of your pent up aggression before interacting with people. Holy ****.

For the voodoo.

He thought he loved her, but really, it was the voodoo he thought he loved.

To use your own words:
1. It's a "stretch" to blame abuse on a child being a "whiney (sic) little bitch."
2. It's ugly to refer to a child that was abused as a "whiney (sic) little bitch."
3. Civilization has rules to protect those who are unable to protect themselves, like 3-year-olds.

All I'm asking is for you to abide by your own rules. And then everything is simpatico, FAX THE JUSTICE MAKER.

I believe Adrian Peterson had pictures from some kind of report being filed.

She's an admitred liar, Billay.

Amazing how all the shit always goes down when she's pregnant.

Maybe she's one of those hormonal psycho hose beast bitches?

All we know is that she lied.

AP plead no contest and put on probation.

Uh ... where in the video does it say this; "And you should be terrified of me too bitch that's why you can't keep a ****ing man"?

Just be so kind as to provide the timestamp. I didn't hear that and I honestly think I've listened to the entire video. (The one in the OP.)

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You should eat a buckshot sandwich. Tonight.

Donald Sterling had a long history of racism and Hill had a long history of violence. I dont give a **** that they were LEGALLY taped.

Don't. ****ing. Care. He's one of the best recievers in the league. If they cut him this organization is nothing but spineless cowards.

The entire recorded conversation is 11 minutes. OP only has 2 and a half minutes.

You can use your Walmart purchased Hill Jersey as a cum rag

So they’re in an airport, she’s laying out to him all of the terrible things he’s done, he denies it. Then she continues and he gets irritated and tells her “to be terrified too” and that she “can’t keep a man”
Then this tape Gets released by a “friend”
She also says she covered for him with a detective.
This seems to be a toxic relationship he has with this woman. Neither of them are very smart.
Frankly I don’t quite know what to think about this. Seems like for some reason she wants to really hurt him. Destroy him. Why?

What language are you using for the word long?

If you are using the English version of the word long, can you do me a favor and make a list that is long of what events make up your long history?

Excuse me, I was discussing something with my friend.

You can go get a pitchfork and a torch and act like Captain Saveaho somewhere else, please.

Its a fact, by the way, that she baited him in the recording, she admitted she's a liar, and that she was pregnant during both incidents.

That's really all we know, for a fact.

Now go drink an antifreeze protein shake with AIDS powder, find some offs to go ****, and die.

I think she wanted to use his criminal history and the fact he's okay with being physical with his kid to the point of being abusive to leverage money out of him, since he was obviously positioned to earn tens of millions of dollars for being a top 5 NFL receiver before the kids broken arm was noticed by DFS/DA/local news media.

He's an idiot that doesn't realize you can't choke / hit people and definitely can't do that your own kid in any capacity that a reasonable person would call punching a toddler 'discipline' and she's an idiot for staying with a dude with a track record of being physically abusive and possibly a criminally stupid person who would risk an extortion charge at the expense of letting her kid be in the care of an abusive father as long as no one knows about it and he gets a superstar payday.

Okay ... there's something wrong here. I would never doubt you, Mr. SAUTO, but ...

That phrase is not in the video in the OP Mr. SAUTO. Not. There.

Have I been listening to the wrong tape? The one in the OP is from KCTV. The duration is 2:17. At around 1:39 Tyreek says, "Whatcha gonna do?" and there's an [undistiguishable] end to his sentence that Baby Mama talks over ... is that it? Maybe my speakers are Tyreek-friendly?

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If we don't take care of it, the NFL will. If we keep him under his current contract, he'll be suspended by the NFL for most of it. If we extend him, we are giving a mega deal to a player who is one dumb decision away (and we now know that that dumb decision is not as unlikely as we previously thought) from getting paid millions only to get suspended again or worse.

I'm sorry to say... But this is lose lose for the Chiefs.

This is the fuller version (but yet, not the full version). 8 seconds in:

https://www.kctv5.com/news/investiga...14b78938f.html

both Kansas and Missouri are 1 party consent to record states

I don't get all the people losing their minds over this audio. It's clearly an attempt by her to cover her ass and proves nothing new or really anything at all. We have no context for this "punching game" and the thought of a 3 yr old being afraid of him isn't anything. Ask any 3yr old if they're afraid of their primary disciplinarian and I'd bet they'd say the same thing.

If Crystal feared Tyreek before this tape she should be scared as hell now.

Tyreek is going to be really, really pissed that her recording and sharing this conversation could be the nail in his professional coffin.

She may need to go into the witness protection program.

I'm not gonna listen to it, but if it is damning and somebody has been sitting on it...**** them, too. It's a child, you don't withhold that.

Arguing semantics isnt going to help your defense of a scumbag

I say let the NFL deal with it. Last time Clark dealt with it, Roger hid under a rock then gave an 8 game suspension when the frenzy settled down.

Kareem is probably punished more if the Chiefs didn’t make it easier for Rog.

Ah ... that explains the confusion. That isn't the same video. The one in the OP is different. Shorter. More edited. The phrase Mr. SAUTO (among others) have been referencing is not included in the OP tape.

I have to agree ... that's not a very nice thing to say to one's beloved fiance, the mother of one's child, and future wife, is it?

Damn ...

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