Been thinking of getting Paramount+ so I can watch SNW. I really enjoyed the first season, probably because it brought up so many memories of TOS and I didn't have to pay for it. I've watched a few clips on YouTube and most of the episodes look to be character oriented instead of moving the story forward. One thing I really liked about TOS is there would usually be a good story and the characters would interact in relation to that story, instead of the interactions being the story.

Yeah, I'm old and it's silly of me to expect a Science Fiction show to actually have real Science Fiction.

Have any redshirts died yet?

The Chief Engineer died. He threw himself off a cliff(?) because he was infected and would have been a danger to the crew.

Just watched the crossover with Lower Decks. I have watched all seasons of Lower Decks so far I enjoy that show.

I hear that. I have tried to watch musicals but I just don't like them.

Same here. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed that.

The last two episodes have been good, this last one very good.

Yeah, he wasn't a throwaway character; too bad because he was interesting. That was sort of a Tasha Yar moment; killing off a main character.

There are a few musicals that I enjoy. Not all that many, though. They've already gone to the fringe more often than I thought they would. They have kind of earned the right to **** around. They have to know that they've got the best Star Trek going on. Other than season three of Picard there isn't anything close to what they've been doing with this and there hasn't been for a while.

This weeks episode? I found it to be a sleeper.

The more I think about it the more I like it. The tone was very reminiscent of the DS9 episode Trials and Tribble-ations. Except this one seemed to take the humor to the next level. It was totally played for laughs, and definitely worked.

Well dammit, now I'm gonna have to watch it.

The Klingon episode?

It was the episode that combined footage from the TOS episode Trouble With Tribbles and DS9.

And yes, there were Klingons.

It's ****ing hilarious. And I don't watch Lower Decks.

I thought the musical episode was next. I guess that's next week.

Expecting something musical and happy and silly made this one even darker, and boy, it was deeply ****ing dark. Lots of fighting and violence, but ground based. Again, very reminiscent of an old DS9 episode - the one where the crew was stranded with a ground unit fighting a protracted battle against the Jem'Hadar.

Excellent episode, though. The past three and next episode have been tense psychological thriller, comedy, today's PTSD rage fest, and up next, musical Star Trek!

They definitely like to change things up from week to week.

Still waiting for moar space battles.......

Live Action Marina is an irritating bitch, I'll give Jack Quaid credit that he didn't over act when he went 3 dimensional.

M'Benga is the Raylon Givens of the Enterprise where he is cool and calm on the surface but has seething anger.

The Siege of AR-558

This one is my favorite of this season so far.

That's the one.

I enjoyed that conversation between Pike and M'Benga at the end of the episode. It was well done.

That was last weeks "bonus" episode, and it was absolutely fantastic.

This weeks episode has a Klingon defector in it.

Yeah, that was a brutal little detail.

So thinking about that episode, basically M'Benga admitted to being the Butcher of J'Gal, murdered a Federation Ambassador, had Chappel conspire to a fake story of self-defense, then had Pike cover all of it up in an official report to Starfleet. That's about as dark as you can get, and certainly as dark as the show has gotten so far. I wonder if there will be blowback for all that for the Enterprise crew down the road....

My guess is that it comes back sometime during S5. Too good a hook not to revisit that at some point during the final season.

Watched the musical. There were some enjoyable bits here and there. But, overall, let's just forget that this happened.

Lol, pretty much ditto. I'm not a fan of musicals in the first place, but SNW has been so good overall I tried to keep an open mind about it.

It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be, and it had some surprisingly good moments in there. The singing and the orchestration of the songs themselves were actually a lot better than I would've ever given them credit for.

But I'm really glad that's over.

20 minutes in right now... this is rough.

I've put it off for a couple of days, but I'm going to attempt to watch it now.

*bracing myself*

Ugh...... :doh!:

Well, that was.... painful.

At least it seemed the actors were having fun. But please, no more space musicals.

:spock:

****ing episode had to have been written by David foster

Lifelong Star Trek and sci-if fan with DS9 and BSG being my favorites. I purposefully pulled out the stick from up my butt prior to starting this episode. I admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, and everyone clearly had fun with producing it. But my enjoyment was because of the removal of the stick.

I laughed at the Klingon bit; I can't lie.

But yes -

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Dumb waste of an episode.

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When the Klingons busted out in dance, I almost turned it off.

Wasn’t expecting to like it going in but I did quite a bit. Was much better executed than I figured it would be. I’m sure they wrote that episode in part to take advantage of Uhura’s actress’s singing ability (she has won a Grammy and was nominated for a Tony).

I also like that they’re willing to experiment with episodes like this and the Lower Decks crossover. The only issue with it is that they are very short 10 episode seasons and you run out of time for the more serious fare as a result. We need longer seasons of this show in the future.

I thought the ending to last week’s episode was about as dark as Trek has ever gotten, at least since Sisko/Garak in “In the Pale Moonlight.” It was great.

I laughed. I admit it.

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That is just so ****ing ridiculous that it is approaching "so bad it's good" territory.

I solved for Y and now I'm the X was one of the 'high' points as well.

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The Klingon bit was the payoff for the rest of the episode. I don't believe I've ever seen anything funnier in SciFi.

The rest was a very mixed bag. Some of it was funny, some of it meh, and some just outright bad (anything with #1). Despite the fact that I detest musicals in general, I did enjoy Uhuru's bits despite myself.

I did enjoy the concept of the rift causing people to behave as they likely wish they could deep inside, but their insecurities prevent it.

Would have been a better episode had they utilized that great concept and actually wrote a real Star Trek episode instead of Star Trek Off Broadway.

Streaming seasons only being 8-12 episodes long in general is a huge problem for story telling. Things often feel rushed. Even with hour long episodes, 8 episodes isn't a lot of screen time.

Fun episode because it looked like the cast had a great time making it.


Only thing funnier than Bruce Horak singing Klingon glitchpop is Pike's ever increasing exasperation.

Man knows he's going to be vegetablized saving some dipshit kids in the future, and what does he have to deal with? Two dipshit kids from the far future potentially contaminating the timeline. And then once that's resolved, his ship accidentally unleashes a ****ing "make everyone sing their innermost feelings" anomaly on a quarter of the galaxy?


Someone buy that man a ****ing drink

That bit cracked me up.

This was a rough episode to watch yet still better then S02E03.

The dude playing J.T.K is, to me, completely and utterly unconvincing as Kirk. Zero charisma/charm/swagger.

Shatner's Kirk kicked ass and ****ed his way out of trouble.

Pine's Kirk kicked ass and was more intelligent.

Wesley's Kirk seems like he would complain to HR knowing he would likely get his way because he is handsome.

He is Darrin from Bewitched. They put him in the wrong reboot.

THATS IT! PERFECT!

Nice. LMAO

He is starting to grow on me a bit, but I still think they could have made him much more charismatic. I suspect they didn't so he wouldn't steal Pike's thunder.

Obviously his relationship with Carol is doomed, so I suspect he'll probably end up boning La'an at some point next season.

KAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNN

It'll be very awkward family Reunion Great great great Grandpa here's Jim he's popping me so much we'll start another Eugenics program

LMAO Oh shit that didn't even occur to me.

SNW seems as if there are only two goals:


1) torture Pike in order to add dramatic weight to his ultimate fate.

2) shape Spock into a man who eschews being half human and go full bore into being Vulcan.

How in the hell did you not see that?

Also, remember Kirk on TOS is basically Superman. He's the exemplar of GR's utopian society high in intelligence and morals. I think it's fair to say Wesley is playing up an understated Kirk from an angle of humility.

Also come on. Shatner was in the 60s/70s Television era which, unless I'm mistaken, was considered closer to stage acting more than it was cinema which means more "hitting the back wall" than staying more grounded.

Sorry, I just despise musicals. I hate Sound of Muzak, and pretty much everything that came after it.

The ONLY musicals I can tolerate is when performing musical numbers makes sense within the story. People spontaneously breaking out in song just irks me.

Maybe at the end of the series there will be an intense series of events that pushes him into becoming the Kirk we are familiar with. That would be cool.

There are going to be several memorable characters that don't make the transition to ST:TOS. Could be some epic deaths coming.

I like to see stoic Spock and fully embraces Kolinahr. Zachery Quinto's portraying "human" Spock

What makes you think this will have 5 seasons? Most good trek series had 7 seasons.

This!

I tried to watch Les Miserables a few years ago. I couldn't get past about 15-20 minutes into it.

And Star Trek is not the place for a musical.
Though I will say Nurse Chapel's number was pretty good.

Chapel transitioning to Spock was enjoyable.

Oh, i read somewhere that SNW was slated to go 5 seasons, that's all. I'd be pretty excited if it went longer. The musical experiment aside, I'm really enjoying SNW so far.

You absolutely should not judge Les Miserables by that stupid movie, which was basically celebrity karaoke. Even the good performers (definitely NOT YOU, Russell Crowe) can't hold a candle to the professional singers who perform in the stage productions. Seeing it live on stage is a completely different animal.

I really enjoy certain types of musicals - particularly sweeping, historical epic stuff like Les Misberables, Phantom of the Opera and Miss Saigon. I definitely do not like silly shit, and the musical Star Trek episode definitely falls into the silly shit category.

I think you answered your own question.

Not sure I get your point. I realize TOS only had what....3 (or was it 4?)seasons. But that's because the network was stupid. TNG, DS9, Voyager all had 7 seasons. Hell, I remember when TNG was slated for the last season, I was mad. I loved that show and they were canceling it. They made some argument like not going past its prime and hanging around too long. I guess that makes sense now. That being said, Enterprise only lasted 4 seasons and I thought that was a very well done series that should have been given longer. :(

He's implying SNW isn't a good Trek series, which would be a false assertion.

I'm not implying it, saying it outright. It's not good. It started strong, and had great potential, but has since devolved. Captain Pike has become a minor, secondary character, there's very little "strange new worlds" involved, and it basically has become "Uhura Begins."

As ridiculous as the musical episode was, perhaps it wasn't as stupid as the episode where Uhura was getting messages and they ended up destroying a major Star Fleet installation on the basis of her hunch. I mean c'mon.

The musical episode was pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. I've lost all interest in it. But I've come to realize it's not written for me.

100 percent agree

While I overall enjoy the show, I have to agree with this whole morphing Uhura into Burnham, or I guess more accurately, the JarJar Abrams version of Uhura. We don't need another incarnation of Mary Sue/Space Jesus. They're not quite there yet, but it sadly seems to be heading that way.

Uhura was a solid supporting character, but at the end of the day, she mostly sat there and opened hailing frequencies, and that was about it. And she needed a goddamn translation book to talk to the Klingons when they couldn't use the universal translator. :shake:

I agree. It's like someone on the show went "Oh my God it's a young black female we must worship her!" and splooged all over the script. It's dumb, and it's forced, and it doesn't serve the show.

The saving grace for me has been that the episodes (more so this season) have been fairly independent of each other even down to tone and usage of differing characters. So if the Mary Sue Uhura episode annoys you (as it did me) then at least it's not necessarily a direction that the show is taking. It is still mildly annoying that they seem to be pushing her character hard each week though.

Well to me they are pushing the "Mary Sue Uhura" even though, as you say, they do focus on different characters from time to time. But I can see the writing on the wall and where this is headed. And you know what? That would be okay IF the stories were somewhat reasonable. A captain blowing up a dilithium refinery (IIRC) on the say so of a green LT is not reasonable IMHO.

Before anyone dismisses me as a hater, or just being angry, I would say my biggest feeling about the show is disappointment. I was one of the voices clamoring for a Pike series after seeing Anson Mount on Discovery. And I enjoyed season 1. I REALLY like the idea they do weekly episodes instead of a 10 episode arc. After watching the first season I thought we were getting close to old time Trek (as close as we can get in the modern Hollywood era). But somewhere in Season 2 it's lost it's way. And now it appears to be just yet another vehicle to push an agenda. :(

S2 has been consistently better in quality than S1 as well, that's also a false assertion.

Now it would be accurate to say there's been less of a focus on Pike in general and it's become even more of an ensemble show, but that isn't really a drawback either (the best Trek of all time in DS9 was the same way).

Couldn't disagree with you more. S1 is clearly superior to S2. Even the better episodes at the start of S2, and the fantastic Lower Decks episode, aren't as good as S1.

S1 had some good to great episodes, but the consistency in quality wasn't there for me. It has been this season (at least for me).

There's no real scientific way to look at it, but S2 has been rated slightly higher by the viewers than S1 with less stinkers: https://www.ratingraph.com/tv-shows/...ratings-97475/

Also, the whining about there being some kind of focus on Uhura is bizarre to me and not based in any kind of reality.

The episodes so far this season and their focus:

The Broken Circle (E1)-Spock
Ad Astra per Aspera (E2)-Una
Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow (E3)-La'an and Kirk
Among the Lotus Eaters (E4)-Pike
Charades (E5)-Spock
Lost in Translation (E6)-Uhura
Those Old Scientists (E7)-Boimler/Mariner (LD Crossover)
Under the Cloak of War (E8)-M'Benga and Chapel
Subspace Rhapsody (E9)- Ensemble with more focus on Spock/Chapel and La'an/Kirk

Spock has probably been the character given the most to do this season, followed by La'an.

It's not the focus on Uhura, it's the way they've treated the character. She's very obviously a Mary Sue and the way they've handled her makes the show worse rather than better.

How should they treat her? As TOS did? They have to do something with her character and it would certainly make sense that anybody who gets on the Enterprise at her age would be a prodigy of some kind.

In any case, she's had one episode focus on her in each season. There are probably a half dozen other characters who have gotten more to do on this show so far. If the fact that she is some kind is prodigy (which gets shown off once every 10 episodes) is somehow affecting your enjoyment of the show/cast overall, it's probably a 'you' problem, not the show's problem.