Is it typical for a guy who got caught using PEDs to get better AFTER he gets caught? Was he using to gain an advantage that he doesn't have anymore? I'm not OUT altogether he's a good receiver (not great anymore) I just think a 2nd is too high

From what I remember reading it was more from trying to heal faster to get back on the field NOT jump and run faster. So not a prolonged user of PEDs but who really knows

He's not going for a 2, they publicly said 2 which usually ends up a 4 and a conditional pick next year.

Most people here think the same. Read the thread. ;)

Well the Cards traded David Johnson, 2nd and 4th round picks for Hopkins and a 4th.

So basically a average starting RB and a 2nd. Veach could send them CEH+MVS+4th for Hopkins and that works for me!

Anyone saying he has issues and baggage......... Do you know who our Head Coach is?

Do you not think our locker room core is one of the strongest in the league.

We are talking about a 1st ballot HOF WR still in his prime (Sure on the wrong side of 30) but he would arguably be the best WR Mahomes has ever had.

Reek was better at speed, but D. Hopkins has Size, Catch radius, Hands, and Route running over Reek.

My issue has nothing to do with baggage or "losing a step". I don't think either of those things are true. You watch him in AZ last year and he still looked good to me. And i don't know what baggage people are talking about.

MY issue, is paying anything higher than a 4th round pick for a WR on the wrong side of 30 who has a history of being disgruntled with his contracts. The guy IS going to look around, see what other guys are getting and want a pay raise. That's just part of who he is.

For a 4th? Ok. Lets talk about it. Higher than that? For a player that is much closer to his decline than not? Who we then have to shell out MORE money for?

And again, i ask, when has Veach ever traded for a player of that age, with that kind of contract? I can't think of a time. It's kind of counter to how he's operated all these years.

31 isn't old for a WR with his route running skills.

His contract isn't big compared to other elite WRs (make no mistake, he is elite)

History of injuries? Before the last two yours he played in every game he didn't sit out to rest before the playoffs. He was suspended last year.

You haven't looked at shit for tape. He was elite last year with basically CP members throwing him passes.

He was taking something to recover from his injury faster. Nothing in his history says he was a habitual PED user.


So.....basically zero baggage.

And lastly, just looking at this roster and its current state of construction, now really is the time to trade up in the 1st and draft and develop a guy. I'm not sure there hasn't been a better time than now, assuming the OBJ contract gets hammered out.

Until it is.

Honestly, would you rather trade a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for Hopkins, or just sign Beckham Jr. and give up no draft picks?

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I'd rather have Hopkins because of lack of SERIOUS injury. OBJ has serious injury history

Hopkins would give Mahomes a legit jump ball guy on the outside. Plus another ELITE route runner with Kelce would **** teams up.

Meh.

I think OBJ is the better player. And we can negotiate our own contract and not have to surrender picks.

Lets say OBJ "lost a step" after his latest surgery. Then that makes him, what? DeAndre Hopkins basically.

OBJ would too, but with more speed and more draft picks. And maybe a contract we could get out of after a year or two.

When is the last time you saw Mahomes tossing up a ton of jump balls?

One hallmark of perennial championship teams is the discipline to buy low and sell high, no matter the names involved.

I would be inclined to say no. I won't be upset if they do it, but I'd much rather keep drafting our players.

Everyones answer should be the same. Whatever Veach and Reid decide I'm good with.

Whens the last time he had a WR that was great at it

Hopkins is going into the HOF, OBJ is not...

Hopkins, not even a contest.

A elite WR on "the wrong side of 30" with zero Lombardi's. I see a couple of mindsets. 1.) Sign with a real contender for reasonable to get a ring or two or 2.) sign with anyone else for $$$$$$. I don't know the man well enough to know which he will choose.

The **** is this?

People can feel however they want about OBJ the person, but the dude can flat out play ball.

Yes, he is a better player than Hopkins imo. His route running is every bit as good as Hopkins, his hands are every bit as good as well. Except OBJ has a bit more juice.

If OBJ "lost a step", that'd make him at worst as fast as Hopkins. He still brings everything to the table that Hopkins does.

Ya'll loved the **** out of the JJSS signing at the time and OBJ has way more juice than JJSS ever had.

I don't know how anyone can sit up here and stroke Hopkins and then look at OBJ like, "naaaah". Like, what are you watching?

Well if OBJ would ever play ROFL

OBJs yards per game the last 3 seasons before missing last season: 64.7, 45.6, and 38.4. He is done.

Imagine if the Chiefs concerned themselves with silly out of context stats like this and decided NOT to trade for KT.....

Again, watch the player. **** stats.

A legit concern, sure. But we ain't giving up draft picks for him either.

We are watching the player. KT still had a better yards per game average in 2021 than OBJ and it was his rookie year with Daniel Jones shitting his pants. Don't be fooled by OBJ looking good for a few plays in the Super Bowl. Dude is cooked and coming off his second devastating knee injury.

But what's the point if he isn't going to play?

Anyway, Andy's only going to approve a WR that will block. I can't remember the last time I saw OBJ run-block.

It hasn't been necessary. It's not a missing piece to our offense. Mahomes is too good at throwing people open to have to throw up a bunch of 50/50 balls.

No, i don't think you are watching the player. I don't know how you could watch this and not see:

Great speed
Great movement ability
Natural, great hands.

You can't possibly look at this and then look at Hopkins and say that OBJ doesn't bring more to the table physically.

OBJ was on a shit Browns team with a shit QB that people didn't want to accept was shit, then gets traded mid season by a Rams team who slowly worked him in through out the season.

IF you want to argue about his health and availability, sure. But the man can flat out ball when he's on the field.

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Why are we assuming he won't? He'll have had ample time to heal.

The primary reason to bring in a guy like DH is not for jump balls. It's just a great bonus.

The reason to bring him in is the ability to consistently beat press man, something JJSS isn't great at, neither is MVS. Basically, we have Kelce and Toney for that, and we're not sure Toney will be able to stay healthy for the entire season. So that leaves Kelce. Again.

Whether it's OBJ or DH, both are great man-beaters. And let's remember that last season teams played press man against KC far more often than they have since 2018. And the best secondaries were able to stall our offense doing it.

Secondly, Pat is far better at beating zones, and our receivers are as well. Getting one of these guys or someone like them, and Andy can force them out of man back into zone, and Pat feasts, and we win another SB.

Isn't he coming off his second or third knee surgery to the same knee?

DH has had one knee surgery, and based on what I saw him doing this season in person, he's recovered.

I'd be happy with it, only because you won the Superbowl with a Mid WR room no guarantee you can do it again. Let Pat Cook

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Fuggit, draft Hyatt AND sign OBJ.

OBJ
MVS
Toney
Hyatt
Moore

....commence fapperations. My god, that'd be a scary receiver room.

Who cares about HOF? Our only concern is " How can you help us now" !

That's how I see it, I'm sure BV does too! Who can best help us retain our offense or even be better than last year!

we're moving all our chips in this offseason to go back to back

build a super team

All this talk about Hopkins and OBJ I think Veach could throw a curve ball and go after DJ Moore from the Panthers. Fits what Veach typically goes after and could be a perfect match for the offense.

There's nothing in that video that Hopkins can't do still today. You cannot say that about Beckham. Hell, we don't even know if he is going to play this season. His knee could be completely messed up.

no thanks

Reerun'd.

Except run like that. OBJ is visibly a faster and twitchier player.

And yet still offers the same level of hands and route running. BUT DOESN'T COST DRAFT PICKS.

And his knee would have to be evaluated and green lit. That kinda goes w/o saying, doesn't it.

And again, the Chiefs could negotiate with OBJ on their terms. They don't have to trade picks for a guy and then get held hostage for a change in contract demands.

OBJ is gonna want to be paid alot, coming off what he's coming off of. Pass on that one I'd think if it were me.

Hopkins just depends what you have to give up and the contract.

I will say OBJ fits our offense much more than Hopkins. Run first offenses and offenses that throw alot of fades, jump balls and force the ball into coverage fits D-Hop much better but he's just HOF talent and it's hard to ignore. OBJ also has went through phases where he was not useful.

Hmmm F it!

Trade MVS, gain $7M in cap
Trade CEH, gain $2M in cap
Don't resign JuJu, guessing what $15M?

Total: $24M

Trade for Hopkins IF he will agree to play on current contract: $19.45M
Sign OBJ to a 1 year deal: $18M

Total: $37.45M

$24M - $37.45M = $13.45M extra needed. Either sign Brown jr to an long term contract making 2023 cheap thus being able to afford OBJ OR trade Brown jr and draft his replacement for pennies on the dollar.

Kelce
Hopkins
OBJ
Toney
Moore

That looks like a "OK" receiving core! Win SB 58 and then worry about resign either OBJ or Hopkins if need be.

Let’s really piss everyone off and restructure Mahomes of 34.40 mill roster bonus into signing bonus to save $27 mill lol

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this just doesn't seem like a move we would make for the cost

Why would the Panthers trade him when they’re looking at QBs like Carr? They have a very legitimate shot to win that division.

I’ll maybe believe it when it’s literally anyone else reporting this than Albright. He’s in his own echo chamber with it.

He broke the Henry Ruggs news lol

He's old, expensive and close to being washed and cooked. No chance in hell we do something this stupid.

Veach's 2nd round draft picks tend to be pretty good, so nah.

Its a double whammy

you give up draft capital which is gold due to cheaper contracts and also take on an expensive contract for a veteran player

Yeah, but when you're looking both WRs, we know for a fact that DHop is healthy and capable of playing. We don't know that about OBJ. ANd won't really know until he's been on the field for a few games. I mean, OBJ hasn't played a game in over a year.

Then there's the fact that OBJ wants a new contract and more $$$.

I'm inclined to believe that DH is the better option of the two, mostly from a health standpoint.

Yup your probably correct. It was just all the trade rumors and reports last season that could still come up is all.

Ugh. DHop is this offseason's version of Allen Robinson. Only more a lot expensive and getting about as old as dirt. Except this time with the added PED issues as well.

Thank god that dumb shit with Allen Robinson didn't happen last year, and hopefully the Dhop dumb shit don't happen this year.

We wouldn't be throwing fades and jump balls to DHop. DHop is an elite WR that will always be open with a QB with good/great ball placement.

The corner might be near him but he will win with leverage.

Think Brees/Michael Thomas over and over.

Yeah a HOF WR is just like Allen Robinson...

WTF are yall smoking.........

"We'd be unstoppable" needs to stop

I'm not saying that at all. Don't get it twisted.

I'm saying that there is always that one FA that some in the fan base like to tie themselves to and just go on and on incessantly about how this guy would just put us over the top.

Same shit, different year.

And HOF ??? What makes you so sure about that?

What has DHop ever led the league in anything at his position? Any real trophies?

Wait are you serious?

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Derrick Mason had a better career.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Derrick Mason at the same age has 7,187 yards....

Hopkins (SAME AGE) has almost 12k.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it

And he still had a better career that set him on a higher HOF track than Dhop.

Did you just eat some reerun pills or ?

Don't start with that stupid baby bullshit.

You want to debate something, debate something.

Gary Clark was better WR than Dhop.

There has to be a debate, as I can see your judgment is impaired it would be unfair of me to "Smear the queer"

You call DHop a future HOF'er. Yet there are guys who had better overall careers, have a higher HOF track than DHop, won SB's and still aren't in HOF.

So I ask you again..... HOF, are you so sure about that.?

........... This cannot be serious right? You are comparing a player in his PRIME to players who played more seasons and have less yard, awards, etc to Dhop.

Hopkins at his career pace if he play 5 more years will have close to 17k receiving yards.... Over 100 TD's... And 5 AP1's 7+ Pro-Bowls.

W T F

By what measure? In all statistical categories Dhop is already ahead of Clark and he still has at least 3 good years left.

making sure Tyreek got his touches. Was a place Mahomes does not need to return to. Kelce just gets ridiculously open

Yeah, and while Gary Clark was great, he also benefitted from the fact that he played with the likes of Art Monk? R. Sanders? His QB was Doug Williams/Theisman!?!?

D. Mason same type of circumstances.

Not saying DHop is head and shoulders better than either, but those guys aren't better than DHop either.

I'll say it, Hopkins has as many yards a Mason in 7 fewer seasons.......

Chiefs 3 losses last year all had untimely turnovers and penalties from our Hall of Famers Mahomes, Jones and Kelce.

No need to bring Hopkins here to boost the WR room and have to pay him what he deserves to be paid.

I say use money to extend Sneed and Chris Jones and work out something with Clark that is less AAV than current deal.

Next offseason, Gay, Bolton, Humphrey and Smith might be seeking an extension.

We can't keep everyone,

So it becomes a maximize the window type process. The argument is do you think Mahomes having another Kelce level route runner would make our offense impossible to stop.

we were impossible to stop with JAGs at receiver. if we added dehop to this offense, it would be 2018 levels of dominance. especially when considering toney and pacheco getting more snaps and being more integral to the overall offense next year as well.