Good luck to her. I filed for an appeal hearing a couple of days ago and then set a zoom call to meet in advance for 7/18. If we can come to an agreement then we'll skip the hearing.

We need to stick together on this. Good luck to you and your neighbor.

Dude, it doesn’t matter what percentage it went up. Are they overvaluing your neighbor’s house? You already admitted they aren’t overvaluing yours.

There are people like Duncan and Inspector who are getting ****ed and I hope on appeal they get their assessments reduced to what is reasonable, but anyone complaining when their property was severely undervalued for years needs to stop.

Now, post your reply of “**** off, Wichita boy.”

That gif could fit in both threads it seems.

It def fits into this thread. When you see the above gif it is exactly what Jackson county is going to do to Clay and other residence.

Then the real kicker is those same politicians in the county are going to spend that money where they see fit. And we all know politicians spend that money very responsibly.

Clay can imagine his extra tax $$ going to elementary school improvements, senior center upgrades, and pay raises for those who are overworked in government/political positions.

Nothing you say in this thread matters. Leave us alone. This is a local issue WE are dealing with and we don't need any trolls from Wichita sticking their noses where it doesn't belong.

You’ve been dishonest in this entire thread. You’ve posted graphs with incorrect numbers. It’s not trolling to ask legitimate questions. I’m sorry you are to dishonest to answer them.

Are you contesting your assessment even though you’ve admitted it is correct?

Yeah, asking legitimate questions is not trolling. Thumbs up.

Let me ask you a question though. Will Clays bank account be smaller next tax season?

I assume Clay is a smart enough gentleman to navigate a tax increase and either find ways to make more money or compensate in other ways on the spending side.

21 days to file your appeals, folks. Fight the power.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jackson County Board of Equalization extends appeal deadline for property assessments <a href="https://t.co/OMsdmgZJNn">https://t.co/OMsdmgZJNn</a></p>&mdash; KMBC (@kmbc) <a href="https://twitter.com/kmbc/status/1677437598501928962?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hope to see some of you at the protest tomorrow. Here are the details for anyone interested in going.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0cl_qRX...g&name=900x900

Wow!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Attended tonight&#39;s forum hosted by Jackson County, being held to help folks make sense of the property tax appeal process. So many families are not able to pay such a large increase so suddenly. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/moleg?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#moleg</a> <a href="https://t.co/fm4f6VO8ca">pic.twitter.com/fm4f6VO8ca</a></p>&mdash; Aaron Crossley (@aaroncrossley) <a href="https://twitter.com/aaroncrossley/status/1676771321655484417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jackson County budget will be getting bigger soon enough.

I wonder what percent of Jackson county residents will sell there home and go to another county.

So….how was the protest?

The $30 per month increase in the escrow payment is going to put him him the poorer house.

Great crowd.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0haueSW...g&name=900x900

I’m fairly certain I had more people in my back yard on the 4th of July.

Glad people are out expressing themselves about the issue at hand.

Here is a picture of Jackson county officials expressing their excitement for that extra cash to spend on their pet projects.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGzf0hPXkAADqQY.jpg

Seriously, most of these are around $30-40 extra per month.

I posted the formula MO uses in another thread:

Assessed value x residential tax rate(19%) x your mill levy for schools, fire stations, whatever, typically (9%).

That 18,000 figure in one of these stories means that citizen was putting out something like $307/yr LMAO

82,000 x .19 x. 09 = $1,402/yr
126,000 x .19 x. 09 = $2,155/yr

That's $62/mo more. No more stinky indian food for some folks, even using coupons.

This liberal shithole should be cutting our taxes not raising them for what we pay and get

Oh, I get it. I wouldn't live in that county. Or Wyandotte.

Leadership in Jackson County is trash, from Q on down. Pretty sure Wyandotte has surpassed Jackson as a better place to live, but that's not saying much.

Just out of curiosity, how much are Jackson County residents paying, on average, per year for their property taxes, and how much are they looking at paying after the proposed increases?

Last couple of places I've worked have been downtown offices.

Most folks I worked with were south of the river urbanites and JoCo KU/Kstate grads that didn't even know there was anything past River Market.

I got some funny comments about how "they couldn't imagine coming all the way down here" and "what is there even to do up there" type stuff. I thought it was hilarious then. It's even funnier now.

I'm up by Weatherby Lake and Zona Rosa. Goddamn I love suburbia. You do have to pay more taxes for it typically though.

Bill you're gonna understand you're living in a cultural hub once you get that street car running to the plaza and big john's super stadium built

I see the culture everyday from bums & crackhead to hearing gun shots. What a world class city we live in

In reality the county has bills that have raised with inflation as well. It really isn't that bad overall.

I pay much more than that each year but we tend to have higher pay out here in the Bay.

Why do you subject yourself to living in a place you loathe so much? Why do that to yourself?

my personal meager raise isn't the point but trolls been missing the point since the beginning

if you don't stop them now it'll be worse next time

not gonna be tipping as much now either, SHAME!

This proves my point. You are not sincere about caring about others impacted by this. Your history here shows if it wasn't negatively impacting you then you wouldn't care one bit. Most likely would be making fun of them.

It’s not going to be worse next time. It’s just finally getting the assessments in line with the value of the homes. There are certainly exceptions where the homes are being overvalued and hopefully on appeal this gets corrected.

You haven’t been paying your fair share the last couple of years when your home was severely undervalued.

thanks for trolling, idiots

Asking legitimate questions and making honest commentary = trolling.

Posting graphs with false information and using percentages to make things seem worse than they are = good/honest posting.

ROFL

Why do you continue to support policies that make this place worse?

We can go back and forth on this hey that is fine...you seem to simply want to bitch about things as if saying "vote them all out" and constantly talking about how KC is a shit hole changes anything. Meanwhile anyone that actually has any idea or whats to do anything that is not the status quo you shit on or talk about how stupid it is. What a great spot to be in you can't lose.

You are either full of shit and being a drama queen about Kansas City or insane for continuing to live in a place you detest. Either way I wish you luck dude.

No I've given plenty ideas not my fault you can't read

Yeah this is true. My property taxes are doubling. I'd love to appeal but they brought my home's value up to... About what I paid for it last year. LMAO

Sucks for me, but it certainly isn't dishonest.

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...kcmo-city-hall

Tensions Simmer as Jackson County Property Taxes Explode

I bought a cookie cutter house in Colorado back in 2000. 150k..probably cost them 80k to build.

If I would have paid that home off, it would've cost 360k total.

Today, that twenty three year old, 80k house in now "worth" 368k.

You mean you’re not standing outside at a protest holding up a sign with “100% increase!” written on it? Most of these morons aren’t bitching that their homes are being overvalued. They’re bitching because they are finally going to have to pay what they should have been paying for years.

I know someone who had their house way overvalued. He appealed and got it reduced. Still an increase but a fair one. Not saying everyone is having that experience and it is a pain to have to fight to correct a bad appraisal, but the 40 or so people protesting in those photos would be better served spending their time appealing... That is if they actually think their homes are overvalued.

Wow this is going to be epic. I will be out of town unfortunately. Capping increases at 2% would be HUGE.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, I joined a group of fighters advocating for equitable taxation.Although we disagreed on many things, we agreed on fixing this tax assessment process. I will continue to work across party lines, with state &amp; local officials to find solutions 4 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KansasCity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KansasCity</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JacksonCountyMO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JacksonCountyMO</a> <a href="https://t.co/5AeDuMZgbn">pic.twitter.com/5AeDuMZgbn</a></p>&mdash; Manny Abarca (@MannyAbarcaIV) <a href="https://twitter.com/MannyAbarcaIV/status/1677720234340302849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There were over 100 people there.

Gee, it’s almost like the value of real estate increases over time. What it cost to build a home has **** all to do with current value. My grandparent bought 275 acres of land in 1936 for $13,000 and built a two story home on the land for an additional $32k. In March, the family trust sold that house for 380k and the land for 3.2 million. Were we supposed to sell it all for 45k? By the way, we had been paying taxes on the accurate values of the property.

LMAO

Capping increases at 2% is how you guarantee shitty neighborhoods and the continued decline of an area. Enjoy your eventual ghetto.

Over 700,000 people in Jackson County and “over a hundred people” showed up to protest. That’ll show em’.

Clay, your rep messages are pretty weak. If you really hope that I die horribly in my sleep tonight or that I should kill myself, at least be man enough to post that kind of stuff out in the open where everyone can see it.

The home's valuation is half the equation. The total amount of property tax (you are charged is the important figure. I have seen countless examples of retirees on fixed incomes that have 2024 bills that will be more than $3,000 more than 2023. Because the process has been mismanaged and based on inaccurate individual home data for a long time, now residents are paying dearly for county govt. incompetence again, only this time, they won't be able to afford the higher taxes due to inflation, which easily eats up the 8.7% average increase to SS. The easy, common sense answer was to cap the increases and allow the elderly and low-income to more easily adjust their budgets, or make repairs so they can maximize the sale, but of course few govt. entities actually work for the citizens, they just keep collecting more obcene amounts of your money for projects you didn't vote on or for slush funds that will allow the politicians to run for higher offices.

Wow this is going to be epic. I will be out of town unfortunately. Capping increases at 2% would be HUGE.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, I joined a group of fighters advocating for equitable taxation.Although we disagreed on many things, we agreed on fixing this tax assessment process. I will continue to work across party lines, with state &amp; local officials to find solutions 4 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KansasCity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KansasCity</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JacksonCountyMO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JacksonCountyMO</a> <a href="https://t.co/5AeDuMZgbn">pic.twitter.com/5AeDuMZgbn</a></p>&mdash; Manny Abarca (@MannyAbarcaIV) <a href="https://twitter.com/MannyAbarcaIV/status/1677720234340302849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ya eight k profit after twenty years is a smokin deal.

it's the land, not the house.

Convenient that we should Belize you'll be out of town for the biggest protest of your life. I'd be cancelling any plans to make sure I could help get this rectified.

When these people’s homes were undervalued for years did they go to the city and appeal to have the valuation adjusted to be more realistic? Hell no, they were happy to pay taxes on a home assessed far below market value. I don’t want to see anyone lose their home and maybe there is a way to adjust the process for those that need it (a cap for those on SS, payment plans, etc…) but the others like Clay who are just bitching to bitch, need to pay their taxes.

I’m not sure where you think the injustice is in your example. It’s a free market. The price is decided by what someone is willing to pay for it.

Sure, people are overpaying for homes, have been for sometime.

The price is decided by the county when they tell you how much it's worth.

"Gee, it’s almost like the value of real estate increases over time."...Do counties ever decrease the valuations in deflationary periods? Do they consider that the increase in top range values in a given neighborhood or market are are due homes that have been completely renovated and reflect "farmhouse/industrial/scandanavian" features, and that the elderly and low-income do NOT renovate their homes, therefore have valuation far below the top range. The top range is easy, you have have sale data from the past three years, and that is fair...its the inability or unwillingness to value properties on a granular level that is the problem here. They paid people to canvass the blocks and make some kind of judgments based on exterior visuals, which has proven to be inadequate. Perhaps their goal all along is to turn over properties and force the elderly and low-income out? That's certainly the most efficient way to ensure renovations and a higher tax base.

Most people don't understand the mill rate basis and only understand the bottom line figure, which is included in what they can affors for a monthly mortgage payment. Most people understand that Jackson Co. funding $2mm for opioid addiction, stripping $42mm from the police and reserving it for "community engagement services", and funding pro sports stadiums. Most people understand that when your mortgage payment suddenly increases by $290/mo and you're on a fixed income, there isn't adequate time to make formulate a strategy. As is true of all levels of govt., they have completely forsaken their mission statement, and have become self-perpetuating, Diocletian monsters that have live by "reules for thee, and not for me".

Nobody is overpaying. Again, the price is determined by what someone is willing to pay. The price is also not decided by the county as most assessments are intentionally below market value by 5-10% on purpose. The county assessment of our home is roughly 70k below what the market says I could sell it for which is about 8% below market value. Our assessment went up 14% this year as real estate prices have continued to increase.

Anyone rolling their taxes into their house payment is making a mistake. You are at the mercy of your mortgage lender and their rules of escrow. It ends up actually costing you more money each month. Also, that $290/month figure is not happening to poor people or people on a fixed income. The average payment increase per month for that demographic is around $40-50 per month. There are exceptions like the story of the people whose 1,500 sq. ft. home was valued at 18K and increased to a realistic 140k.

as always some ****ing jackass in wichita knows what he's talking about when it comes to KC.

"Nobody is overpaying"....I have spent years helping develop software that understands all facets and value drivers of each particular home. As part of this process, I am in direct contact with hundreds of local homeowners for many reasons, the latest of course is dominated by the county valuations. I spent this week with a retired vet whose tax bill went from $3,100 to $7,700 in one year. His home hasn't been updated since purchase in 1993, and has experience much deferred maintenance, such as wood rot, deck rot, a slow plumbing leak that destroyed a 10 x 30' section of ceiling in his lower level, and now has black mold eradication to deal with. And you are saying he isn't overpaying. That's the apex of ignorance and arrogance.

"Also, that $290/month figure is not happening to poor people or people on a fixed income"...how much you want to bet?

The bottom line is, US household savings rates are half of what they were historically. As of January 2023, studies show that 57% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings and could not pay an unexpected expense without using credit. There are many reasons for this, but "not paying enough taxes" is last among them. We pay thousands in real estate taxes, taxes on outbuildings, taxes on vehicles, trailers, earnings taxes, sales taxes, TIF taxes, State taxes, capital gains taxes gift and estate taxes...yet we still have to significantly cut the police force and can't keep the roads from jarring loose your wheel covers. We don't have a tax base problem, we have incompetence and corruption problems, to suggest otherwise is intellectual laziness and enabling of the worst among us- greedy, incompetent, self-aggrandizing bureaucrats.

That $290/month figure would represent an increase of over 200k in an assessed value. Show me any examples except the extreme I mentioned where the owners home was originally assessed at 18k and then show me that example happened to someone on a fixed income.

Tax assessments on property exist everywhere and the process is very similar state to state and county to county. Tell me what I don’t understand and what I don’t know that I’m talking about. Use your words.

Read my comment to Stevie again. Nobody is overpaying when they buy a home. They decide what the home is worth and make an offer for that price. In your above example, anyone looking to buy that home would come in and look at it, see the damage, and adjust any offer accordingly. As for tax assessments, the county can’t go into every home and see how piss poor some people take care of their property. That’s exactly what the appeal process is for.

In your example you are stating that this retired vets home went from an assessment of around 200k to over 450k in one year. That seems unlikely, but if so this is exactly what the appeal process is for.

Receipts: He just had an appraisal performed for a HELOC that came in the higher $200s. County value at $511k. The highest sale in his subdivision over the past 500 days is $365,000 for a renovated home. His has not been improved since the 90s. You are out of your element.

This is exactly what the appeal process is for and why it exists in the first place.

Even in your example, the home had been under assessed by a minimum of 78k.

....you could always move to Denver and buy a 2bed 2bath condo with 927 sq ft.


$450,000.00

What a person pays for a home is a snapshot of market activity as of that date. No buyer reasonably expects property taxes to increase increase 70-130%+ in a given year, it historically does not happen.

"The county can't go into every home and see how piss poor some people take care of their property"...then it seems pretty irresponsible to tax them as if they had renovated it, huh? Maybe even deceitful? Your appeal process has not been fruitful for those who have not had an appraisal performed ($450-500), and of course the time frame which the owners wee given to accomplish this was laughably short in duration, which was of course addressed in the class action suit (McClain).

I have another example of a retired couple in Grandview that went from $170ish to $268K. They a\enagegd an appraiser who discovered there 1st level ceilings are 7'1", and the 2nd level was 6'9", which according to HUD is not even allowed to be calculated as "above grade finish". The basement is 6' in height and concrete block that leaks in three walls. The problem is this...Jackson County has refused to create/maintain a database, or purchase software that tracks data granularly...the software exists because I helped design it. Rather than pay us to do it right, they will spend that money on attorneys and dart-throwing buffoons from Texas, who will experience the same chaos next assessment period. Again, you are out over your skis, but are too obtuse to be part of a solution to incompetent governance.

Not true, since the appraisal did not factor in repairs and eradication of black mold (as was stated), since the owner was not given enough time to have wood rot/deck rot bids prepared, or mold testing to NAMRI standards, all of which could cost $20,000. The county can't know about mold, but to assess a property at $150,000 more than any house in the subdivision has sold for in the past 500 days is elder abuse.

Dude, we are talking about thousands upon thousands of homes that need to be assessed. You are working with a few homeowners at a time. The appeal process exists for the outliers. I’m glad you are helping these people, but all the hand wringing by people like Clay is just bitching because their home was finally properly assessed.

Stevie, what do you think a 2bd 2 bath condo in Denver should sell for? I have a 1,100 sq. ft. condo in Maui that we rent out 48 weeks a year. If I decided to sell it should we sell it for 400k since that is probably close to what it would cost to build it?

Are people really trying to defend these absurd hikes?

As this thread is being constantly trolled, we'll post updates in OP if you can't find the most recent relevant info.

Latest development. Hope some of you attend.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, I joined a group of fighters advocating for equitable taxation.Although we disagreed on many things, we agreed on fixing this tax assessment process. I will continue to work across party lines, with state &amp; local officials to find solutions 4 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KansasCity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KansasCity</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JacksonCountyMO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JacksonCountyMO</a> <a href="https://t.co/5AeDuMZgbn">pic.twitter.com/5AeDuMZgbn</a></p>&mdash; Manny Abarca (@MannyAbarcaIV) <a href="https://twitter.com/MannyAbarcaIV/status/1677720234340302849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If building John Sherman's dream in downtown means some folks have to miss out on thai curry then so be it.

Hopefully they can bulldozer over some low income senior housing for a bar or something sick.

nvm sent to rep

450 dollars a sq ft!

What a steal!

Way to dodge the question?