Originally Posted by TRR (Post 18042381)

2026 will be the first chance Simmons has at playing a down in the NFL so we shall see. He won’t play one meaningful snap next season.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042391)

Wrong! Your comparing apples to Oranges and it looks like the Chiefs front office agreed with me not you.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18042393)

And he wasn't the same athletically before the injury. Not as strong, not as impactful.



Yeah, I'll hope they're right, but it's all based on hope.

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 18042403)

If he starts, I’m going to make you an artistic rendering of what I think my butthole looks like as a flower. I’ll send it to you in a 5x7 frame and you hang that Sonnabitch behind your computer desk for the duration of his time on the Chiefs to remind Yourself how silly you sounded.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 18042387)

Just stop, not even close. Risk, sure, how much more than any other tackle at 32, not much. If he's a functional middle of the road tackle we did great for pick 32. If he's is as good as before we hit it out of the park. If he busts, look at he NFL average for players picked at the end of the first round.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042371)

We all want him to be good.

It’s just a major uphill battle. We hope it works out.

It could be a huge win. The Chiefs may never get any competent play out of him.

The pick has been made. Just hope for the best.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042407)

Can we just give him every PED imaginable?

League is rigged for the Chiefs anyway. They’d never punish our LT and risk Mahomes getting hit.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042407)

Can we just give him every PED imaginable?

League is rigged for the Chiefs anyway. They’d never punish our LT and risk Mahomes getting hit.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 18042405)

ACL's used to be the end of a career for many in the NFL, now they are almost better with a repaired knee. I would think they've gotten better with these injuries as well since the study from 2012-2022.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042410)

I’m honestly not sure if a few CPers would be happier if he does bust and they can say told you so!

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 18042411)

Genious.

Dude let’s shoot horse steroids into his knee if necessary. I don’t care just make that shit work correctly

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 18042409)

Middle of the road is what we had in Orlando Brown and people lost their ****ing minds.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18042397)

Veach said that Burkholder has strong belief that he will by ready by training camp. Veach is saying Left Tackle.

Surely this won’t be a camp battle right? Jaylon Moore was never the long term answer as I thought

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 18042381)

2026 will be the first chance Simmons has at playing a down in the NFL so we shall see. He won’t play one meaningful snap next season.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 18042411)

Genious.

Dude let’s shoot horse steroids into his knee if necessary. I don’t care just make that shit work correctly

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042358)

Again tell me a tackle at his age that didn’t come back?

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042421)

Couldn’t we just replace the entire leg with a robot leg or something?

Maybe switch Jones’s dick with this guy’s bad leg?

Simmons gets a monster leg. Jones gets a smaller cock, which will make him faster.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042358)

Again tell me a tackle at his age that didn’t come back?

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 18042380)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said Rick Burkholder called Josh Simmons&#39; response to surgery a &quot;best-case scenario.&quot;</p>&mdash; Sam McDowell (@SamMcDowell11) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamMcDowell11/status/1915621976233660754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 18042411)

Genious.

Dude let’s shoot horse steroids into his knee if necessary. I don’t care just make that shit work correctly

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18042393)

And he wasn't the same athletically before the injury. Not as strong, not as impactful.



Yeah, I'll hope they're right, but it's all based on hope.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18042395)

You do realize that many people will be saying the same thing about Simmons in a few years if this doesn't work out?

"He never was!" Well, you don't know that.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18042425)

I don’t think there’s any doubt he plays, it’s how long and at what level.

Maybe he’s the first to buck the trend, but it’s like a poor person’s retirement plan is purchasing lottery tickets and hoping for a miracle.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042407)

Can we just give him every PED imaginable?

League is rigged for the Chiefs anyway. They’d never punish our LT and risk Mahomes getting hit.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042422)

what a ****ing bear, man

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DAWG <a href="https://t.co/7DiZSrcGbN">pic.twitter.com/7DiZSrcGbN</a></p>&mdash; The Kingdom (@MahomeSZN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MahomeSZN/status/1915624436054594007?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042423)

You expect me to remember exactly all the who's?

I can tell you who did, that I know of, and that's Jack Conklin and Jason Peters. I'm not aware of any others that had any substantial career afterwards and Conklin has kind of been up and down with injuries since.

Two guys tore them last year on the OL, Cole Strange of NE and D'Ante Smith of CIN. Smith probably won't matter, he's at the bottom of the barrel. Strange is a starter though and is only 26.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042436)

Yes I do. Simmons is a top 5 talent…..Lucas was a middle round talent. Very different.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 18042431)

This is the crucial point that many in here are missing.

We're not just rolling the dice on an average case for this injury. So it's not like we have a player who just got injured yesterday and we're mapping out the odds of his future without having any of the relevant details.

We have medical professionals looking at the specifics of THIS CASE post-surgery and after some meaningful level of recovery. If you think our medical team is a bunch of ****ing morons, then fine. If you think Reid and Veach were so desperate for this pick despite the fact that we traded back a slot to take him, then fine.

But there's real evidence the team did real work on the medicals and felt like he's probably going to be in the top 10% of whatever recovery study people want to throw out there.

So please, spare us all with the bland statistics. We have a case 1 of 1 with unique details, and the team clearly felt good enough to go in this direction.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18042169)

Reminder from kccrow:



Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18042424)

I’m calling it… Josh Simmons @ #32 > Eric Fisher @ #1.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042442)

He's not paying attention. He's been spoon fed it a half dozen times and then just says 'nuh uh'

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 18042447)

Yep. I think the missing element in the studies that people are quoting is that the teams absorbed the injury when the player was on the team. It's not like they had the option to not have the player on the team.

The Chiefs looked at Mr. Simmons after the injury and recovery. They had the opportunity to pass on him if they weren't seeing recovery. So that brings up the question of when it's possible to tell that a player is making a strong recovery or not. The Chiefs are obviously comfortable that they're evaluating Mr. Simmons at a point in time where his recovery can be thoroughly evaluated, and they're comfortable with it.

I don't care if only 20 percent of players come back if we're able to determine that he's in that 20 percent before we draft him.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042360)

Literally NOBODY has said they have inside info.

All anybody has said, at all, ever, is based on what HE has said and publicly available information.

HE has said he had the surgery to rebuild his patella.

And the publicly available data is that there's never been an NFL offensive lineman who has successfully recovered from that injury to play at/near his previous level.

That's it.

And those are both absolutely true statements.

If he makes it back to his pre-injury form he will literally be the first person in league HISTORY to have done so while playing offensive line.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042456)

What's funny is that these geniuses think that we want the pick to fail. As if we would. What we didn't want was the pick to happen at all at this juncture because the chances it does fail are so astronomically high.

I'm all about risk. I champion trading up and taking chances as much as anyone. Calculated risk though versus something akin to throwing your hands up in the air and saying "why the **** not" are two different things to me.

I don't blindly trust Veach in all things like many do, he's absolutely missed quite a few high picks. This one certainly makes me question his decision once again.

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 18042457)

I am 100% confident that he will be a first ballot hall of famer!!!!

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 18042431)

This is the crucial point that many in here are missing.

We're not just rolling the dice on an average case for this injury. So it's not like we have a player who just got injured yesterday and we're mapping out the odds of his future without having any of the relevant details.

We have medical professionals looking at the specifics of THIS CASE post-surgery and after some meaningful level of recovery. If you think our medical team is a bunch of ****ing morons, then fine. If you think Reid and Veach were so desperate for this pick despite the fact that we traded back a slot to take him, then fine.

But there's real evidence the team did real work on the medicals and felt like he's probably going to be in the top 10% of whatever recovery study people want to throw out there.

So please, spare us all with the bland statistics. We have a case 1 of 1 with unique details, and the team clearly felt good enough to go in this direction.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042438)

Okay - THIS I can get behind.

Juice this ****er, stat.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042442)

He's not paying attention. He's been spoon fed it a half dozen times and then just says 'nuh uh'

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 18042461)

I remember another young Chiefs draft pick who got a then unusual knee surgery called microfracture after playing only 1 game his rookie year.

People worried if he'd get his explosion back. He also had maturity issues.

Travis Kelce has been pretty good.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042463)

He's so good our next QB will be a first ballot hall of famer, too.

It's going to be like having two Willie Roafs playing LT on every snap.

Teams will stop rushing anyone and drop everyone into coverage and we will run the ball on every snap.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18042446)

I don't think Simmons pre-injury is a better prospect than Campbell and Membou.

He would have been very good. Probably top 15. A very good LT prospect.

We don't know what Niang would have been pre-injury. A lot of teams really liked him before shit went south.

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18042466)

He’s elite in pass pro

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Simmons is the only OT in the SIS draft board stats database (since 2023) without a blown pass block in his draft season <a href="https://t.co/qR42DEPSJu">pic.twitter.com/qR42DEPSJu</a></p>&mdash; Shaun Newkirk (@Shauncore) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shauncore/status/1915616231828095104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 18042462)

You think Veach takes him if he only has a 13% chance to fully recover? They are expecting a full recovery this year st some point.

Originally Posted by kcfan75 (Post 18042452)

He could have his leg amputated and play on a peg leg, and he's better than what we have.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042474)

He played half a season against a non-con slate.

Wow.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18042475)

Couldn't he already be juicing? Lol

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18042475)

Couldn't he already be juicing? Lol

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042483)

look at the losers in this thread doubting the architects of our world famous dynasty

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042479)

Players that suffer a leg injury and play with a peg leg is about as rare as Simmons injury at his age/position.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18042487)

Just like you doubted Patrick Mahomes, while some of us beat that drum all of that offseason? You should go back and look at your glorious track record.