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Deberg_1990 10-21-2011 03:44 PM

They probably found all kinds of evidence in that house yesterday to build a case, just hasnt leaked to the press yet. They dragged out carpets among other things....


Documents filed today in Clay County Circuit Court said police took blankets, toys and articles of clothing from the house on North Lister, as well as rolls of tape and a tape dispenser

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21...#ixzz1bSHQYZUE

Radar Chief 10-21-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8029111)
I did some looking the other day, and I don't recall exactly, but it was very quick. And they said a dog can find a sunken body under running water that was fairly deep.

I know a body starts decomposing almost immediately but I can’t think of what it is the dogs would be picking up on. Of course I’m thinking of this as a human and dogs have something like 10,000X the sensory receptors in their noses than we do.
Now I have heard of the water thing, saw a show where they explained how they did it. Put the dog in the bow of a boat and when it triggered they approached the same location from a different direction, after the dog triggered several times in the same location they sent a diver down and sure enough there it was.

ReynardMuldrake 10-21-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8029226)
They probably found all kinds of evidence in that house yesterday to build a case, just hasnt leaked to the press yet. They dragged out carpets among other things....


Documents filed today in Clay County Circuit Court said police took blankets, toys and articles of clothing from the house on North Lister, as well as rolls of tape and a tape dispenser

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21...#ixzz1bSHQYZUE

If they're tearing out carpet that means they've found something. They don't just do that at random.

ReynardMuldrake 10-21-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 8029238)
I know a body starts decomposing almost immediately but I can’t think of what it is the dogs would be picking up on. Of course I’m thinking of this as a human and dogs have something like 10,000X the sensory receptors in their noses than we do.
Now I have heard of the water thing, saw a show where they explained how they did it. Put the dog in the bow of a boat and when it triggered they approached the same location from a different direction, after the dog triggered several times in the same location they sent a diver down and sure enough there it was.

That's pretty crazy about the water. In the movies you can always pass through water to shake a dog off your trail, I wonder if that's an urban legend?

Stewie 10-21-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8029280)
That's pretty crazy about the water. In the movies you can always pass through water to shake a dog off your trail, I wonder if that's an urban legend?

Having a dead body under water is different than a live person running through water to lose the scent.

Radar Chief 10-21-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8029280)
That's pretty crazy about the water. In the movies you can always pass through water to shake a dog off your trail, I wonder if that's an urban legend?

I don’t know enough about trailing dogs to say but I would think the ground scenting dog would be more likely to get shaken off the trail by crossing water than an air scenting dog.

TheGuardian 10-21-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 8029294)
Having a dead body under water is different than a live person running through water to lose the scent.

Yes, it's an urban legend. Dogs actually track the dead skin cells that fall off of you. The water doesn't do a thing to prevent this and it floats right on top of the water. If I am remembering correctly.

Radar Chief 10-21-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 8029374)
Yes, it's an urban legend. Dogs actually track the dead skin cells that fall off of you. The water doesn't do a thing to prevent this and it floats right on top of the water. If I am remembering correctly.

Thats at least part of it but there's more I think.
I was watching Dog 101 a week or two ago and they were showing a blood hound getting its police trail dog certification and this dog trailed a guy that jumped in a car, drove accross town and sat down on the beach which is where the dog found him. So this dog continued trailing a guy that was in a car. How? Got me.

Fish 10-21-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 8029659)
Thats at least part of it but there's more I think.
I was watching Dog 101 a week or two ago and they were showing a blood hound getting its police trail dog certification and this dog trailed a guy that jumped in a car, drove accross town and sat down on the beach which is where the dog found him. So this dog continued trailing a guy that was in a car. How? Got me.

Wow...

And what's really scary... a bear has an even better sense of smell than a blood hound.

Stewie 10-21-2011 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 8029659)
Thats at least part of it but there's more I think.
I was watching Dog 101 a week or two ago and they were showing a blood hound getting its police trail dog certification and this dog trailed a guy that jumped in a car, drove accross town and sat down on the beach which is where the dog found him. So this dog continued trailing a guy that was in a car. How? Got me.

That's probably TV hyperbole. Although! When I was working on the farm as a kid we went to a grain elevator that was 30-ish miles away. Our working dog Brownie jumped out of the truck when we got there and we searched and searched for her but gave up. We drove back to the farm and two days later she showed up. Smart girl!

Demonpenz 10-21-2011 08:16 PM

I probably wouldn't trust anything on tv. Mohillbilly Bwana or Big Daddy would probably have stories.

RINGLEADER 10-21-2011 11:56 PM

Not sure what to make of this but anyone stupid enough to go on national television and admit things that contradict what they told the cops is probably dumb enough to kill their own child for some needless and bizarre reason.

Kind of strange to see this happen when I spent so much of my youth in that area -- it's a couple blocks from where my grandparents lived. Used to go to the ice cream joint near Chouteau and Parvin about .25 mile from where all this is happening.

wazu 10-22-2011 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 8035184)
Kind of strange to see this happen when I spent so much of my youth in that area -- it's a couple blocks from where my grandparents lived. Used to go to the ice cream joint near Chouteau and Parvin about .25 mile from where all this is happening.

Sounds like it might be worth bringing you in for questioning.

aturnis 10-22-2011 07:34 AM

So does this Cadaver dog hitting inside the house have anything to do with little Lisa? I ask because I was doing some research on cadaver dogs last night, and some dogs got positive hits at a WWII aircraft crash site some 63yrs. after it went down. So has anyone ever died inside that house before? Previous elderly owners?

Who knows right now, I think it'd be an injustice not to do your due diligence in that area. Especially with two eye witnesses seeing "the same man" carrying a baby in a diaper at 4:00am...

ReynardMuldrake 10-22-2011 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8035901)
So does this Cadaver dog hitting inside the house have anything to do with little Lisa? I ask because I was doing some research on cadaver dogs last night, and some dogs got positive hits at a WWII aircraft crash site some 63yrs. after it went down. So has anyone ever died inside that house before? Previous elderly owners?

Who knows right now, I think it'd be an injustice not to do your due diligence in that area. Especially with two eye witnesses seeing "the same man" carrying a baby in a diaper at 4:00am...

Yeah, the location of the 'hit' is so strange [bedroom floor?] that you have to wonder. Maybe the previous owner died in bed and went undiscovered for a while?


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