And, both HRs were rockets launched straight center and right center fields. He's coming around...I hope.

Yeah. He's finally above .200.

looks like he has the nonstride toe tap thing going like michael sweeney

Hatcher didn't suddenly forget how to be a hitting coach after 13 years and helping to guide the team to a championship.

He's surrounded by injured players like Morales (who he was once instrumental in developing) declining player like Wells and Hunter, mediocre players like Callaspo and underachievers like Morales and Pujols.

In fact, the 2 guys he would be most likely to get results from - Trumbo and Trout - are absolutely killing the ball.

Hatcher got screwed by a surly asswipe of a 1b.

The Angels are easier to hate than the Red Sox and Yankees combined right now. Welcome to the Pujols circus, Anaheim. I hope you're willing to give plenary authority over your franchise to a guy that's going to hit .290 with an OPS in the mid-800s.

LMAO, shows you how much you know about the Angels. maybe you should check the facts before you speak. The Angels have had 3 good offensive years out of his 13 (2002 and 2009 most notably). The last 2, and now this season have been the worst. The team for the last 2 years have been at the bottom of most offensive categories. If I recall correctly, Pujols , a.ka. asswipe of a 1st baseman, didnt come aboard until this year, so he has nothing to do with the shitty offensive product the Angels have trotted out in '10 1nd '11 and now '12. Now, Im not saying Hatcher is a bad coach, just saying its obvious the organization needed to make a change and a loud statement. And since you cant fire the players, you gotta fire someone. So that someone was the guy in charge of the offense, the hitting coach.

So next time chew on your sour grapes, dont spew them, unless you know what the **** you are talking about.

Are we going to play this game again? The one where you talk out your ass and claim it was my doing because you're incapable of basic reading comprehension?

Was Hatcher the hitting coach for the WS team? Yes, yes he was.
Was Hatcher not instrumental in the development of Morales before Morales hurt his leg? Yes, he was. Is Morales now injured? Yes he is.
Are Hunter and Wells not declining players? Yes, yes they are.
Has Kendrick, who was supposed to contend for batting titles coming out of the high minors, underachieved? Yes, yes he has.
Has Pujols underachieved as an Angel. Uh...yeah.
Do hitting coaches tend to have more of an impact on young players than they do on established veterans? Yes they do. And are Mark Trumbo and Mike Trout (both young players) guys that have actually hit extremely well this year? Well yes, yes they are.

As to the rest of your inane ramblings - also wrong. For his first 10 years in Anaheim, the Angels scored more runs than the league average 7 times. That's 3 sub-standard seasons in his first decade (and only one of those was truly bad; his 2nd). The last two have been below average because the Angels have made brilliant decisions like getting rid of Napoli and throwing scads of money at sinkholes like Gary Mathews Jr. And he did this despite having a home park that generally favors pitching because hitting a ball out at night with the marine layer in Anaheim is a royal pain in the ass.

Go ahead and point out a single factual inaccuracy. Just like the last time you got all mouthy, you're simply talking out your ass. Your roster is full of guys that should either be shitty hitters, guys that are established vets that aren't going to get much instruction from their hitting coach anyway, or young kids that will take instruction from their coach...that are actually hitting. Micky Hatcher is not the reason the team is struggling and he was clearly good enough when he was coaxing All-star seasons out of guys like Chone Figgins and getting results above their talent from the Erik Aybars of the world.

The Angels won a WS because guys like Scott Spiezio, Adam Kennedy and Brad Fulmer had well above average seasons for them. Clearly Hatcher knew something about hitting then.

It's not Hatchers fault that Moreno's shiny baubles designed to get Anaheim fans to pay attention for more than a week or two generally tend to suck.

The problem is the roster - it isn't Mickey Hatcher.

But you can always count on Anaheim fans to lack the attention span necessary to realize it.

The next time you feel like arguing with the adults - try being accurate before being indignant.

First of all, I said I dont think it was Mickey Hatchers fault. I never said he was a bad coach. I said someone had to take the fall, and since you cant fire an entire lineup, then the hitting coach becomes that guy. I also said the Angels ineptness was long before Pujols aka "asswipe of a 1st baseman" came along. I also said the last two years have been horrific, and now this year, and he had exceptionally good years in 2002 (WS year) and 2009. The rest is meh-to ok, but the last two have been terrible. And your examples of incredible hitting (Figgins, Aybar, Spezio etc..all in the years I mentioned-2002 and 2009) Clearly, hatcher probably still knows about hitting, jsut not the new philosophy the new GM wants. So again, someone has to go to start instilling a new philosophy. Hatcher isnt super keen on OBP stats 'walks are a false stat". DiPoto, his boss, disagrees.
So maybe you need to deal with your reading comprehension.

I do agree the vets, Wells in paticular is a ****ing nightmare and has been. GMJr, as well.

Secondly, I have no idea why you are so bitter when it comes to the Angels or the fans. Because they signed your boy? We aren't rivals, but your sour grapes are all over this thread. You would think we were the ****ing Brewers are something.

I have never, in the 12 years Ive been on this board been so disrespected, or felt the need to disrespect someone more than you. EVER. So, maybe we should just ignore each other from here on out, or it could get really ****ing nasty.

If I may interject here for a minute.


Pujols was an asswipe of a first baseman for the Cardinals. He was always kind of a mouthy prick, IMO. But he hit. He hit like an all time great. But he was always a crybaby, but it was overlooked because he produced.

It isn't like this is the first time he's had a problem with this or that.

Do what you gotta do.

For the record: Figgins rec'd MVP votes in 2004, 2005 and 2007 and the best year of Aybar's career was the 'horrific' 2011 campaign. There have been many many good offensive seasons from the Angels over the course of Hatcher's career and many of his players in that time period have done very well under his guidance. It most assuredly wasn't just 2 seasons.

You can go ahead and put my on ignore if you'd like, but I'm not sure who's going to teach you about the team you purport to follow...

I'd agree with that. Always been a bit of a drama queen but his prowess has been more important.

As for Carlota and DJ's.... girls, you're both pretty. Although moreso Carlota. (I mean literally).

Oh for ****s sake. I have followed The Angels since 1977. I watch roughly 155 games a year. I read about them and discuss them with other Angel fan DAILY. You know who you are? The ****ing asshole who is a fan of The Chicago bears who comes over and tells KC Chiefs fans what idiots are they are for not being happy with Cassel and tries to tell them how wrong they are in their assessment of him cuz he went to the pro Bowl one year and had a good year in NE too. And how do Chiefs fans feel about that? They feel like telling you to go **** yourself. Am I right?

I can understand that Pujols is a bit of a bitch. I see that in Anaheim already. Whatever. I dont care. I just wish he would hit.

ThanksLMAO

I see that Albert is always on his period. Like I said, i just want him to hit...

BTW, The Angels were only in the top 5 scoring teams for 3 years out of the last 10, once getting to #2 (2009), out side of 2002, 2007 and 2009, the team was either middle of the pack or at the bottom. Again, the last two years, at the bottom and this year also at the bottom. Someone had to pay, deserved or not.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...html#teamranks

Now, can you stop telling me about the team I purport to follow?

I followed Albert Pujols for 11 years.

He's a surly asswipe of a 1b.

If he were hitting worth a !@#$, the Angels offense wouldn't be struggling nearly as badly and Micky Hatcher would be employed right now, just like he was for the previous 13 years despite all those supposedly horrific seasons (read: Above average a majority of the time).

Ergo, Micky Hatcher got fired because of a surly asswipe of a 1b.

What I would be would be a Patriots fan that came and told Chiefs fans in 2009 that the Chiefs are going to be bad because Matt Cassel is a bad quarterback and was a bad quarterback when he was in New England. You, Ms. Carlota, are the Truefan that would proceed to argue with them about it on the strength of the fact that you were a Chiefs fan before Matt Cassel...as though that has any bearing on the present situation.

But that's okay, keep telling us about all those times that the Angels drew 43K/season (never happened...ever) and all those bad signings that came about as a result of a single GM (except that it was 3). I'll keep on fact-checking your misstatements as they relate to your own ballclub.

I dont doubt Pujols was a little less than a douche. I see that. Hatcher has had 2 bad years, and its not just Pujols struggling. However, it would be much better if Pujols was hitting. DiPoto, the new GM has a drastically different philosophy when it comes to offense than Hatcher does. Sosh as well, so we will see how that up. So, a struggling lineup, almost top to bottom sans Trout and Trumbo, an offense philiosophy that hasnt worked for 2years for whatever reason (shitty players is one of them, Like Wells) and a GM who wants to instill a different kind of mind set when it comes to offense, led to Hatchers firing. Its not just Pujols. Its been going on for a while now, before Albert came to town. Hell, DiPoto mentioned he wanted a different mind set u offense when in his press conference when he was hired. But I will aggree, Pujols's struggles have added an exclamation mark.

Patriots fan, bears fan whatever fan, youre still someone talking about someone elses team by watching highlights, not games. You arent suffering thru shut outs, watching your team have the highest percentage of swinging outside the SZ in the league. You arent watching this team, and have for years now, lose games or even win games, 2-1, 1-0, 3-1, etc....watching them flail striking out, being at the bottom of offense stats like RISP and Runs scored per game, for 2 years. And now one of the greatest hitters ever is doing the same thing this lineup has done for years. You have been watching a team that has played much better than that highlighted by the fact that they won the WS.

Someone had to go, the entire lineup cant be fired, so bye bye Hatcher. It had to be done, deserved or not.