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MIAdragon 06-08-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5826132)
Jeter just hit his 8th HR on the season. He'd be our ****ing clean-up hitter.

Related to this conversation, just say no to a pitcher at #1 overall, assuming there's a viable position player to select.

Plus, this kid's negotiation is going to be an uber bitch.

He only has 2 outside that bandbox

DeezNutz 06-08-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5826139)
He only has 2 outside that bandbox

Coors East? LMAO

But I'm not mad at 'em, since Jeter is part of my fantasy team. Blow wind, ****ing blow111

KChiefs1 06-14-2009 04:12 PM

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Reaper16 06-14-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5823595)
Yes.

It's truly amazing that out of all that layer of ****ing shit, we drafted Greinke. This alone redeems Baird for any and all wrong he might have done. Given the restrictions from ownership, however, I doubt he could use all the TP he wanted to after taking a shit.

I can't possibly even begin to consider that statement. Baird was a shite GM with or without Glass' financial restrictions.

DeezNutz 06-14-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5839401)
I can't possibly even begin to consider that statement. Baird was a shite GM with or without Glass' financial restrictions.

What? How can you possibly say that?

All of his moves were predicated by the bottom line, which was always ridiculously tight. We have absolutely no idea what kind of GM he could be.

As I've said numerous times, the fact that he was immediately hired by the Red Sox should tell you all you need to know about Baird's baseball IQ.

Sure-Oz 06-14-2009 08:14 PM

I think Glass is still a big reason Baird failed here, period.

petegz28 06-14-2009 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5839561)
I think Glass is still a big reason Baird failed here, period.

I do too...though Baird was not great.....he was handicapped by the whole "signability" thing

DeezNutz 06-14-2009 08:23 PM

Baird certainly had his failings; it's only common sense that this had to be the case.

But try to pinpoint his biggest weakness:

1. He didn't draft well. No ****ing shit. Signability. Glass wouldn't spend money.
2. We didn't get good/decent FA's. No ****ing shit. Glass wouldn't spend money.
3. We didn't re-sign our own players. No ****ing shit. Glass wouldn't spend money.
4. Players were rushed and called up too soon. No ****ing shit. Glass wouldn't spend money.

Reaper16 06-14-2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5839601)
Baird certainly had his failings; it's only common sense that this had to be the case.

But try to pinpoint his biggest weakness:

Well, off the top of my head:

Traded Johnny Damon and Mark Ellis for Angel Berroa, AJ Hinch and Roberto Hernandez

Traded Dye for Nefi Perez

Traded Beltran for Teahen, Buck and Mike Wood

Signed Juan Gonzales

Signed Terrance Long

Signed Bonito Santiago

Signed Darell May

Signed Jose Lima

Signed Scott Elarton

etc.

The trades are the worst part. The utter lack of capable player evaulation behind those trades was astounding. The Beltran trade alone is a damnable, fireable abortion of a decision that completely erodes any goodwill earned from drafting Greinke. That trade should have set up this franchise with three cornerstone players. Instead, Baird wouldn't even consider a deal that didn't include the Royals getting a 3B, C & P. Baird utterly ****ed the franchise on that trade. And Glass had nothing to do with Allard's crippling stubbornness.

DeezNutz 06-14-2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5839704)
Well, off the top of my head:

Traded Johnny Damon and Mark Ellis for Angel Berroa, AJ Hinch and Roberto Hernandez

Traded Dye for Nefi Perez

Traded Beltran for Teahen, Buck and Mike Wood

Signed Juan Gonzales

Signed Terrance Long

Signed Bonito Santiago

Signed Darell May

Signed Jose Lima

Signed Scott Elarton

etc.

The trades are the worst part. The utter lack of capable player evaulation behind those trades was astounding. The Beltran trade alone is a damnable, fireable abortion of a decision that completely erodes any goodwill earned from drafting Greinke. That trade should have set up this franchise with three cornerstone players. Instead, Baird wouldn't even consider a deal that didn't include the Royals getting a 3B, C & P. Baird utterly ****ed the franchise on that trade. And Glass had nothing to do with Allard's crippling stubbornness.

All of those signings were on a shoe-string budget. Sorry, but you're not getting top talent when you're trying to get someone at no more than 5 mil. per year. So, yeah, Glass had a hell of a lot to do with it.

Glass dictated that Dye be traded for ML talent. That's how you get that cluster ****.

The organization wouldn't re-sign Damon and Beltran, and the latter was traded only months before he hit FA.

I'd say Glass had everything to do with your entire list.

Baird is the easy target. I understand this. Unfortunately, most of this venom is misdirected, since the main culprit was the owner.

As I have repeatedly said, Baird may indeed be a poor GM, but his tenure in KC gives us very little to base this upon because ANYONE would have failed.

KChiefs1 06-14-2009 09:55 PM

The Royals could only afford to sign one of these guys...Sweeney, Beltran, Damon or Dye. Due to Sweeney's involvement with the community it was decided that signing Sweeney made the most sense but unfortunately for everyone involved right after signing that contract the injuries started to pile up on Sweeney.

Make no mistake about it....David Glass screwed this organization many years while pocketing Steinbrenner's cash instead of spending it like he should have...

DeezNutz 06-14-2009 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5839809)
The Royals refused to sign more than one of these guys...Sweeney, Beltran, Damon or Dye. Due to Sweeney's involvement with the community it was decided that signing Sweeney made the most sense but unfortunately for everyone involved right after signing that contract the injuries started to pile up on Sweeney.

Make no mistake about it....David Glass screwed this organization many years while pocketing Steinbrenner's cash instead of spending it like he should have...

FYP.

Reaper16 06-14-2009 09:58 PM

I think that Glass is the easy target. Everyone knows he was stingy during those years. I'm not absolving Glass in any way; he's been a canker sore at best.

Just because Allard wasn't allowed to spend big money on good players doesn't mean that he should have spent decent money on terrible players. Look at what the Marlins can do on a shoestring budget... two championships. Allard made personnel decisions that were flabbergasting... decisions that were irrelevant to budget. Baird was terrible; I can't understand how you can't see that.

DeezNutz 06-14-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5839818)
I think that Glass is the easy target. Everyone knows he was stingy during those years. I'm not absolving Glass in any way; he's been a canker sore at best.

Just because Allard wasn't allowed to spend big money on good players doesn't mean that he should have spent decent money on terrible players. Look at what the Marlins can do on a shoestring budget... two championships. Allard made personnel decisions that were flabbergasting... decisions that were irrelevant to budget. Baird was terrible; I can't understand how you can't see that.

You think the Marlins won two championships operating like the Royals?

Is that the reason for the fire sales post championships? To unload those 35 mil. payrolls?

DeezNutz 06-14-2009 10:03 PM

When someone flat isn't provided the resources to do his job, I have a hard time being critical about his inability to do his job.

Frankly, I expect failure.

Blame goes to the person not providing the resources in that case.


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