NFL network just did a re-draft of 2014, Carr went 3 overall. Kid sucks.

No other QB in the top 10.

Eye test says otherwise

9 games into their rookie seasons, and you're using that as some kind of evidence?

LMAO

Same guy that said Houston didn't need paid

Ironically they won those playoff games using the complete opposite formula you seem to be advocating for.

The Raiders haven't been to the playoffs with a QB of their own drafting since Marc Wilson, in the '85 season. Since then, they've been to the playoffs 6 times, all with the famous 'retreads' at QB.

The Raiders have won 3 Super Bowls. None of those wins came at the hands of a Raiders 1st round QB pick. Stabler was a 2nd round pick of the Raiders, and Plunkett (2 SB wins) was yet another 'retread'.

That just tells me you haven't watched him play at all. He's easily the most impressive of the rookie QBs.

I'd take Bortles over Carr right now though. I know he's struggled but at least they've beaten the 6-3 Browns.

Yeah, with Bortles throwing 3 INTs in that game. He had a shit game, they won in spite of him.

Happens. Win is a win.

When it takes a guy 40 attempts to get to 200 yards while down 2 touchdowns, people tend to turn the game off.

Right, so you support the Alex Smith just wins argument then? I thought that to most of you, wins are not a QB stat?

Bortles had 159 yards and 3 INTs in that game. That's a shit performance and literally trying to give the game away.

Just look at their stats compared to each other, almost the complete opposite TD to INT ratio, Carr is in a much worse situation.

Carr: 11 TDs, 7 INTs

Bortles: 8 TDs, 13 INTs

Carr has a UDFA in Holmes (got cut by the Patriots) to throw to, a former 7th round pick in Butler, and a slow and worn out James Jones as his #1 WR.

Bortles at least has two highly drafted weapons that were brought in with him in Robinson and Lee. He has Cecil Shorts, one of the better slot receivers in the league, and then there is Allen Hurns, a UDFA who was also playing very well with Chad Henne throwing the ball.

And yet Carr has thrown more TDs, half as many INTs.

Bortles actually has a run game to work with, his best back is averaging 5 YPC while their run game overall is going for 4.4 YPC; Carr's run game is going for 3.5 yards a pop, his best back (McFadden) is averaging 3.7 YPC, good for 28th in the league.

And somehow Bortles is better. Only on CP. ROFL

And 4 of his touchdowns have come in the 4th quarter when down by more than a TD.

Garbage stats for a garbage TD. The 6-10 club is all you need to know about Dump-it Derek.

And? I get the fact that you guys thinks he sucks because he plays for the Raiders, a hated rival. But you just look even more stupid when you look around and realize that the only people who think that Derek Carr is terrible are here on CP.

Even Jags fans admit that Carr is a good rookie QB and they're the ones who actually have a horse in the race.

Carr had a big game against San Diego and a good game in his first outing, against the Jets. Beyond that, he's been pretty lousy, but he hasn't gone anything near full Geno. The question boils down to how much of that you think is on him, versus how much of it you think is on his teammates.