Gonna need more for Wader than a package headlined by a top 75 prospect doing OKish at AA (Beede) or even a top 50 guy dominating at A+ (Bickford).

That's why I have a hard time seeing them sell pieces that are free agents after next year. Return isn't great enough to warrant sacrificing the chance to contend in 2017.


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Guys this is all academic because the White House visit just spawned a 24-6 run. 1 down, 23-6 to go.

JP Morosi just said Nationals have jumped into the Wade Davis talks.


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Another good point made was with the exposure to the postseason the Royals have had the last 2 seasons, it makes their players more desirable.

If the Royals decide to sell they might be able to nab quite a haul in prospects.

If they slide the week before the deadline it's a very real possibility.

Catching up on prospect performance for the week. Looks like last year's second round pick, Josh Staumont, is developing in a positive direction.

Staumont was drafted with great stuff and horrible control, but is starting to command it. He has a potential 70-grade fastball (mid to high 90s with movement) and curve, and even a fringe average change up for him would play way up because of his fastball velo.

Perhaps the most intriguing prospect in the Royals system. If he can develop even average control, you're talking about a ToR type arm.


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I think it'd have to be a real hard slide, and it'd have to start now. We're still only 5 back in the wild card. That's nothing.

Plus I can't imagine someone would pay the price for Davis. But maybe I'm wrong. There'll be a riot if they sold him off cheap. Davis' stuff hasn't been quite as sharp this season, but he's still in a 3 year stretch that's one of the best stretches ever. You would have to get a starting pitcher that could help us in 2017 out of that.

That would help the playoff odds.

http://www.fangraphs.com/coolstandings.aspx

Ken Rosenthal:

The remainder of the Royals’ current homestand (five games) will determine their course entering the deadline. At 48-47, the reigning World Series champions are eight games behind AL Central-leading Cleveland and five out of a Wild Card spot. Should they end up selling, free agents-to-be Edinson Volquez, Luke Hochevar and Kendrys Morales are all candidates to change uniforms. So is closer Wade Davis, whose contract expires after next season and whose demand around the league will only rise if the Yankees retain their late-inning relief aces. FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman reported earlier Saturday that Washington is among the teams interested in Davis.



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I can understand selling Volquez, Morales and Hoch but Davis? I thought the whole point was to keep the core together until the end of 2017?

Trading Davis seems counterproductive to that goal.

Sell off Soria instead. :evil:

Haha, there was one with that caption too, but I don't remember where I saw it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Official: Chris Sale has been scratched from tonight’s scheduled start.<br><br>STATEMENT: <a href="https://t.co/wOB8JTsjzu">pic.twitter.com/wOB8JTsjzu</a></p>&mdash; Chicago White Sox (@whitesox) <a href="https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/756983172089384960">July 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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This can't be true.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not a joke: Source says Sale blowup was because he didn&#39;t want to wear throwbacks, so he cut the jerseys up so no one could wear them.</p>&mdash; Tommy Stokke (@StokkeTommy) <a href="https://twitter.com/StokkeTommy/status/757000213731037184">July 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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ROFL holy shit

Well are they wearing the throwbacks tonight?

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No ****ing way

BTW, Morosi and Rosenthal are confirming this

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Yep.

Multiple sources confirm.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosen...05141581193216


Sale thought they were uncomfortable, asked to not wear them on his day to pitch.

Nothing about cutting them up here

Must've been really ugly uni's.....and a very big pair of scissors.

Who knew his best out was a cutter

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Rosethal saying its "bigger than that" in response to the tweet about cutting up all the jerseys

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Chris Sale On Throwback Day&quot; is an easy costume for the Sox fans who forgot to plan ahead on Halloween.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughTimes/status/757006668068597761">July 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Tepesch&#39;s line in his Omaha debut: 6 IP, 1 R, 0 H (!), 1 BBs, 5 Ks. Decent. Chasers lead 4-1, Kevin McCarthy to the mound.</p>&mdash; Omaha Storm Chasers (@OMAStormChasers) <a href="https://twitter.com/OMAStormChasers/status/757027142903267328">July 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Bigger? How?

Looks like the Yankees are going to trade Chapman.


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What about Trea Turner and their top two pitching prospects that aren't Giolito?

Nationals top prospects:
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Giants top prospects:
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I'd want 2 of their top prospects for Wade Davis.


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1 step forward, 1 step back.


This team is what it is. Not good enough, but not quite bad enough to throw in the towel either.

They'll be mediocre this year...sell next season's FA's consider offers for Wade if they're super

Holland is a FA and should be available at the end of the year. Might be nice insurance for next season if we trade Davis.

Volquez and Morales both have mutual options which may make it harder to trade them - they're actually guys who might take them (10M each). Maybe Volquez can get a 2-yr deal elsewhere and maybe you let Morales go, but they are possibilities for next year. That leaves little for us to trade away

I agree. Neither has performed well enough to think they'd get a better deal elsewhere, IMO. Very likely both teams would take the mutual option for the run in 2017. If it were me, I would take the mutual on Volquez but I would explore other options on the DH spot outside of Morales.

So Cuthbert is now OPSing over 800 and playing a damn good 3rd base.

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I thought Cuthbert looked like he belonged last year. Let alone this year. He's always passed the eye test to me. That's why after 2017 I think we still have pieces to build around. Cuthbert, Mondesi, Perez, hopefully Gordon turns it around, Ventura.

In this market there's no way Volquez doesn't do better on the open market. With contracts out there like Jeff Samardzija at 5/$90M, JA Happ at 3/$36M, Kennedy at 5/$75M ..... he'll do better than 1/$10M. At age 33, I'd guess he'd be looking at a 3/$40M type deal.

Trade Volquez, trade Hoch, trade Morales. Get whatever you can for them. None of them will be back next year, otherwise.

Something is better than nothing . . . .

I understand it's unlikely, but is there any chance if the Nats lose out on Chapman they cave and give us Giolito for Wade? Wade's got another year and a half of control on a favorable contract. Would we do it for just one guy that may or may not help us next season?

I doubt it, but that would be impossible for us to turn down.

The nationals do have a ton of prospect ammo.

So. Are we sellers yet?

I think they need to figure out what they are pretty quick.

So any chance next year we have an IF like this?
3rd Moose
SS Mondesi
2nd Cuthbert
1st Hos

Should be. The last series we won was end of June against the Cards. We pushed in the 4 gamer against the M's. And Cain probably doesn't get back until right at the trade deadline, so we probably can't wait to see if he gives us a spark.

Cuthbert is a very good 3rd baseman, but I just don't think he's a viable option at 2nd. He's not particularly quick moving side to side, and that turn at 2nd isn't a natural play. I'm hoping Whit can adjust and become at least decent consistently with the bat, as he's a solid 2nd baseman. I'd think Mondesi is your 2nd baseman next season and then moves to short the next year. We could definitely see Raul playing 2nd the last month of this season.

Or Esky gets traded and Modessi comes up now at SS. That wouldn't break my heart either.

I was hoping he could be a lot more Jeff Kent than Mark Tehan. That 800OPS would play nice there if he was at least serviceable defensively.

Can't imagine there's a long line for Esky right now

Yeah agree, but maybe there is a team in contention that needs a better glove at short?

Esky hasn't done us many favors this year...either at the plate or bolstering his trade value, lol.

Bah! I'm sure there are plenty of contending teams looking for a Gold Glove shortstop who swings at EVERYTHING.


And bats lead off...

Wild card is getting away too so I would be.

Esky, Morales, Volquez & Hochevar should all be traded by August.



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Agreed. Not necessarily happy about it, but I agree.

At least the Tigers lost twice today!

I wonder if Morales would agree to that mutual option right now. I would hate to lose his bat next year.

Alex Gordon is such a turd. His AB in the 7th was the worst one of the season and had he just advanced the runner in the 9th, we tie

Why do I keep seeing lorenzo cain's name on the trade rumors lists?

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Gleyber Torres of the Cubs might be going to Yankees for Chapman.


Makes me wonder what Wade would bring?



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Makes me wonder what Wade would bring?



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Giolito or GTFO

The Rangers are interested in a reunion with Royals right-hander Edinson Volquez, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports. Volquez actually started against Texas today, holding the Rangers to one run over six innings to earn a no-decision in what ended up as a 2-1 Rangers victory. As Grant noted, “the entire Rangers inner circle of front office personnel was on hand to see” Volquez pitch.




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Regarding Hos, I love the guy and will forever be thankful for his clutch hits in the postseason, but there are a lot of reasons why you don't pay him 20 mil a year.. Much less 200m overall.

He's never put together a complete offensive season. His numbers have been solid, but for his talent and athleticism he should be performing above his career output. Honestly he's never put together a substantially better year than his rookie campaign, and there's a few reasons for that. One of the central reasons is beautifully illustrated by his performance since June, where Hos now tries to pull absolutely everything. The result has been countless two hoppers to first and second base. His swing is too long to pull the ball on a consistent basis, but like every year he seems to fall into a two month rabbit hole where he tries to pull the ball anyway. If he wants to pull the ball he needs to change his swing, something he's refused to do throughout his career.

Scott Boras has been pimping Hos' defense as the reason he deserves a massive contract. However, this season especially has exposed Hos' weak range at first. Too many ground balls make it through first and second base and have through his career. Hos has made up for this with his exceptional ability to scoop the ball, but as he ages it's reasonable to expect this ability to decline.

TL;DR: Anything significantly above Brandon Belt's 6/79 would be a mistake, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rangers or the Dodgers to give him a stupid contract. If Hos is focused on boosting his numbers, the Rangers would be a smart match.

Yeah its getting close to that time. Ive maintained they are still in this and they just needed to get it together. I thought wed see something by August if they were playoff worthy. I can barely watch a complete game anymore. This just isnt the same team.

Nice post, Pants. :thumb:

What do the Rangers have and what could we expect to get in return?

Sounds like the Cubs are working hard to get Chapman. Not totally surprising. Supposedly they scratched their top prospect tonight before his minor league game.

Gleyber was scratched

I think we need to do both buy and sell. We can sell some of our expiring assets ie Volquez but we still need to go out and get some starting pitching for next year. Free agent market is zilch.

They absolutely should make this move. And there's a chance they could re-sign him after this year with all the young guys they have under control for quite a while.

Davis should bring more than Chapman right? His numbers have been much better than Chapman the last 3 years.

More importantly, he's signed through next season at a reasonable price.

I think the Cubs want to have an extension in place before making the rade also.

Looks like this is happening.

Cubs look like a juggernaut.

With Chapman...yeah pretty much.