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CasselGotPeedOn 07-15-2019 10:45 AM

The irony of using this Meredith Robinson lady as a source after she was the one who initially implicated Tyreek in this whole thing, is absolutely astounding.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 10:45 AM

I'm not pretending to be anything. I didn't write most of that. I've never claimed that, either. It was a team effort. We're just exposing the truth.

If you don't want to believe Marty's sources, that's fine. But you can definitely believe those admissions by Meredith Robinson. And all that shit with Brian Banks happened. And the Espinals are most certainly deadbeats. That is all fact.

ToxSocks 07-15-2019 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348803)
I'm not pretending to be anything. I didn't write most of that. I've never claimed that, either. It was a team effort. We're just exposing the truth.

If you don't want to believe Marty's sources, that's fine. But you can definitely believe those admissions by Meredith Robinson. And all that shit with Brian Banks happened. And the Espinals are most certainly deadbeats. That is all fact.

Adding in the Brian Banks stuff was so annoying and irrelevant. I get that you're trying to prove a point, but it's poor writing. I honestly just skimmed right past it.

And you say we can believe the admissions by Meredith, but what admissions? You didn't give us any. You just gave us what you claim to have seen.

Have you learned nothing? This was way worse than anything KCStar ever put out.

Stop being ****ing stubborn and defensive and listen to everyone who's telling you this was shit. Take the criticism and do better. It reads like a made up fable by desperate Chiefs fans.

It was shit, dude.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn (Post 14348801)
The irony of using this Meredith Robinson lady as a source after she was the one who initially implicated Tyreek in this whole thing, is absolutely astounding.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

You may certainly draw your own conclusions as to her credibility.

The fact she knew the audio tape was coming out before it came out, however...is quite revealing....

ToxSocks 07-15-2019 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348812)
The fact she knew the audio tape was coming out before it came out, however...is quite revealing....

Lol no it's not.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14348806)
And you say we can believe the admissions by Meredith, but what admissions? You didn't give us any. You just gave us what you claim to have seen.

Protecting the source.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14348806)
Stop being ****ing stubborn and defensive and listen to everyone who's telling you this was shit.

CP is a drop in the bucket. 95% of the feedback is opposite.

Expected, though. This place has a rep for sure.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14348815)
Lol no it's not.

I think it is. It very clearly establishes her connection to the inner circle of the Espinal gang. She knew things. She knew the history.

It paints a very clear picture to me.

ToxSocks 07-15-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348821)
Protecting the source.

Because you can't post screen shots and omit the source? Or do you not have screen shots?



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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348821)
CP is a drop in the bucket. 95% of the feedback is opposite.

Expected, though. This place has a rep for sure.

CP is the only place that's going to tell you the damn truth.

What you have here are nothing more than rumors that you're jumping to conclusions on. As such, they should've been written in such a manner instead of an expose trying to piece this all together as if it were fact.

Just stick to tweeting/posting your rumors instead of trying to be investigative journalists.

ToxSocks 07-15-2019 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348823)
It very clearly establishes her connection to the inner circle of the Espinal gang. She knew things. She knew the history.

.

We already knew that. I mean, didn't she already identify that she was a family relative or some shit?

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14348828)
CP is the only place that's going to tell you the damn truth.

https://i.imgur.com/vB9B5.gif

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14348829)
We already knew that. I mean, didn't she already identify that she was a family relative or some shit?

This further corroborates that - and a lot of people didn't know it.

And establishing other details that would pin the conspiracy on the entire family is huge.

Codered 07-15-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348844)
This further corroborates that - and a lot of people didn't know it.

And establishing other details that would pin the conspiracy on the entire family is huge.

Huge for who? What audience are you trying to convince with this? The angry twitter masses? The already pro-Tyreek Hill supporters? This article isn't going to change anyone's mind that wasn't already supporting him. Unnamed supporters come across as opinions.

SAUTO 07-15-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348803)
I'm not pretending to be anything. I didn't write most of that. I've never claimed that, either. It was a team effort. We're just exposing the truth.

If you don't want to believe Marty's sources, that's fine. But you can definitely believe those admissions by Meredith Robinson. And all that shit with Brian Banks happened. And the Espinals are most certainly deadbeats. That is all fact.

what should we believe from meredith? That tyreek broke his son's arm?

SAUTO 07-15-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348823)
I think it is. It very clearly establishes her connection to the inner circle of the Espinal gang. She knew things. She knew the history.

It paints a very clear picture to me.

But she didn't know when the broken arm happened?


She tweeted it happened on march 13th, right?

Codered 07-15-2019 11:17 AM

"Chiefs Planet has a reputation."

But, hey as long as Misty Sims on twitter is diggin it!

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14348850)
what should we believe from meredith? That tyreek broke his son's arm?

You should believe that she was definitely embroiled in the plot and told someone privately that sergio was pinning it on tyreek.

Wonder why she didn't say that publicly...hmmm.... :hmmm:

SAUTO 07-15-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348872)
You should believe that she was definitely embroiled in the plot and told someone privately that sergio was pinning it on tyreek.

Wonder why she didn't say that publicly...hmmm.... :hmmm:

SHE was publicly pinning it on tyreek...

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14348885)
SHE was publicly pinning it on tyreek...

Indeed sir. And through her own admission, it is now linked to Sergio...and we have a motive for Sergio....

...oh what a tangled web we weave.

SAUTO 07-15-2019 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14348890)
Indeed sir. And through her own admission, it is now linked to Sergio...and we have a motive for Sergio....

...oh what a tangled web we weave.

Or maybe Sergio was just repeating what his daughter told him...

Custody battles are nasty quite often.

FloridaMan88 07-15-2019 12:54 PM

Hopefully for the sanity of civilization, Peter King is wrong...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co.../#numbers-game

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I think we’re still far away from knowing whether Tyreek Hill will play 16 or zero games, or something in between, for the Chiefs in 2019.

O.city 07-15-2019 12:56 PM

What the hell are they waiting on? What new info is going to come out? Make a decision.

Sassy Squatch 07-15-2019 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14348983)
What the hell are they waiting on? What new info is going to come out? Make a decision.

Is CPS/DFS done yet?

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14348983)
What the hell are they waiting on? What new info is going to come out? Make a decision.

We just did.

Patience. We have day jobs.

Kiimo 07-15-2019 01:06 PM

I wonder if they're waiting on results of the paternity test

Mecca 07-15-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14349001)
Is CPS/DFS done yet?

In what way? They are doing the family re-integration thing right now hence the videos of the visits. If you mean entirely done that won't be for over a year.

Sassy Squatch 07-15-2019 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14349005)
In what way? They are doing the family re-integration thing right now hence the videos of the visits. If you mean entirely done that won't be for over a year.

Might be waiting for that long then. Doesn't sound like there's going to be a decision until CPS is no longer involved, or at least it sounded that way in March.

O.city 07-15-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14349002)
We just did.

Patience. We have day jobs.

I meant real information.

Not wrong names and trailer parks.

Rain Man 07-15-2019 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14348982)
Hopefully for the sanity of civilization, Peter King is wrong...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co.../#numbers-game

I think by definition we're no more than a month away, right? At some point the Chiefs need to just activate him. It's possible that the league will just sit on their hands when that happens and he just starts playing.

Mecca 07-15-2019 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14349010)
Might be waiting for that long then. Doesn't sound like there's going to be a decision until CPS is no longer involved, or at least it sounded that way in March.

If that's true then Hill's career is ****ed because this stuff can go on forever, the investigation part from them is over, however work with the family will last a long time. Now if the league chooses to not suspend until it's done then I guess he could play...but who knows.

If he goes on an exempt list he could literally miss 1-2 seasons if they want things to be fully done.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14349014)
I meant real information.

Not wrong names and trailer parks.

First off, we gave you real information. Meredith Robinson's admissions. Real. Marty's sources, real.

Second, tonight is hardcore information. We're not even going to editorialize.

This is going to be big. Much bigger than us.

We have started a fire.

Mecca 07-15-2019 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14349029)
First off, we gave you real information. Meredith Robinson's admissions. Real. Marty's sources, real.

Second, tonight is hardcore information. We're not even going to editorialize.

This is going to be big. Much bigger than us.

We have started a fire.

Apparently Don Hillary is not a fan of you guys.

Go Royals 07-15-2019 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14349029)
First off, we gave you real information. Meredith Robinson's admissions. Real. Marty's sources, real.

Second, tonight is hardcore information. We're not even going to editorialize.

This is going to be big. Much bigger than us.

We have started a fire.

You and Brooke have a lot in common

Sassy Squatch 07-15-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Royals (Post 14349032)
You and Brooke have a lot in common

It really is astonishing.

O.city 07-15-2019 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14349029)
First off, we gave you real information. Meredith Robinson's admissions. Real. Marty's sources, real.

Second, tonight is hardcore information. We're not even going to editorialize.

This is going to be big. Much bigger than us.

We have started a fire.

Oh yeah, ok.

Dartgod 07-15-2019 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14349029)
First off, we gave you real information. Meredith Robinson's admissions. Real. Marty's sources, real.

Second, tonight is hardcore information. We're not even going to editorialize.

This is going to be big. Much bigger than us.

We have started a fire.

If you can't do your homework on something as obvious as the home (doublewide?) that "Crystal Hill" owned, then I can't give you the benefit of the doubt on anything else in that article.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Royals (Post 14349032)
You and Brooke have a lot in common

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KCUnited 07-15-2019 01:37 PM

Literally no one:

Chiefs Kingdom Detectives:
https://i.imgur.com/e2gVSc2.gif

stevieray 07-15-2019 01:44 PM

Me thinks you better be careful..this could easily backfire..... And in a really bad way.

It's not worth it, IMO.

staylor26 07-15-2019 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14349023)
If that's true then Hill's career is ****ed because this stuff can go on forever, the investigation part from them is over, however work with the family will last a long time. Now if the league chooses to not suspend until it's done then I guess he could play...but who knows.

If he goes on an exempt list he could literally miss 1-2 seasons if they want things to be fully done.

There’s 0% chance that happens. This will be resolved before the season starts. That’s why they went ahead and met with him instead of waiting.

Perineum Ripper 07-15-2019 01:47 PM

Chiefs Kingdom Dicks

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...J-w9QjbsgAmj0J

Mecca 07-15-2019 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14349061)
There’s 0% chance that happens. This will be resolved before the season starts. That’s why they went ahead and met with him instead of waiting.

Certainly hope not but it also makes no sense on what's taking so long. It also doesn't help that every 5 minutes some NFL reporter gives some different take 1 week it's that it's gonna be small then the next week they all decide "hes going to be made an example of"

Just tired of this bullshit.

raybec 4 07-15-2019 01:54 PM

Well this whole thing took a turn toward ridiculous.

O.city 07-15-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14349069)
Certainly hope not but it also makes no sense on what's taking so long. It also doesn't help that every 5 minutes some NFL reporter gives some different take 1 week it's that it's gonna be small then the next week they all decide "hes going to be made an example of"

Just tired of this bullshit.

Where'd you see example made of?

Mecca 07-15-2019 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14349075)
Where'd you see example made of?

Basically some dudes I've heard on the radio on national shows.

It's just mind numbing how many people who cover the NFL are pining for him to get a long suspension.

-King- 07-15-2019 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 14349058)
Me thinks you better be careful..this could easily backfire..... And in a really bad way.

It's not worth it, IMO.

What could go wrong? It's not like they've already had someone break the law and break patient doctor confidentiality.


Oh wait. The thing is that I think clay knows a lot of this is BS and is 75% trolling. But Marty and the rest of the guys are serious in this and it could land them in a lot of trouble.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 02:03 PM

We'll be fine.

It's time to let the big dogs EAT!!!!

stumppy 07-15-2019 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14349069)
Certainly hope not but it also makes no sense on what's taking so long. It also doesn't help that every 5 minutes some NFL reporter gives some different take 1 week it's that it's gonna be small then the next week they all decide "hes going to be made an example of"

Just tired of this bullshit.

Haven't seen any of that lately. Link?

RunKC 07-15-2019 02:09 PM

The league needs to make a decision by the time camp starts. You’ve had plenty of time to get the facts and you’ve seen everything.

Make the damn decision and get this shit over with

stumppy 07-15-2019 02:10 PM

ROFL

Please understand, this is not about random fanboys desperate to see Hill catch touchdowns from Patrick Mahomes.

cooper barrett 07-15-2019 03:53 PM

I've been told I am pretty dammed good at finding POS properties...ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL
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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 14349043)
If you can't do your homework on something as obvious as the home (doublewide?) that "Crystal Hill" owned, than I can't give you the benefit of the doubt on anything else in that article.


Halfcan 07-15-2019 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 14349043)
If you can't do your homework on something as obvious as the home (doublewide?) that "Crystal Hill" owned, than I can't give you the benefit of the doubt on anything else in that article.

Yeah, too bad it was not accurate like TV5 creating a false narrative and insinuating Hill broke his kid's arm or the Star which took that narrative at face value and tried to bury Reek without an ounce of evidence.

They have set the bar pretty high on this story!!

The paid professionals have been 100% wrong from the start, but people are complaining that some part-time bloggers trying to find the real truth are not writing War and Peace with 100% accuracy. :rolleyes:

Dartgod 07-15-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14349247)
Yeah, too bad it was not accurate like TV5 creating a false narrative and insinuating Hill broke his kid's arm or the Star which took that narrative at face value and tried to bury Reek without an ounce of evidence.

They have set the bar pretty high on this story!!

The paid professionals have been 100% wrong from the start, but people are complaining that some part-time bloggers trying to find the real truth are not writing War and Peace with 100% accuracy. :rolleyes:

Yeah, pretty much. It's not like they got bad info from a source. It was easily debunked and there is no excuse for it.

"...we framed it as highly dubious."

Then research it or don't publish it.

T-post Tom 07-15-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14335992)
LOL Tyreek's HS highlights are so rad

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That's almost not fair. Looks like they had two plays in their playbook:

1. Get the ball to Tyreek.
2. Get the ball to Tyreek again.

Halfcan 07-15-2019 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 14349251)
Yeah, pretty much. It's not like they got bad info from a source. It was easily debunked and there is no excuse for it.

"...we framed it as highly dubious."

Then research it or don't publish it.

If only the Star and TV5 would have done this...

:shake:

Dartgod 07-15-2019 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14349278)
If only the Star and TV5 would have done this...

:shake:

Who's comparing them to the Star and KCTV5 besides you? Is that the standard you hold Marty and Clay to?

LMAO

-King- 07-15-2019 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14349278)
If only the Star and TV5 would have done this...

:shake:

You do realize that just because they do ****ed up their reporting, that's not an excuse for others to **** up too right?

Halfcan 07-15-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 14349285)
Who's comparing them to the Star and KCTV5 besides you? Is that the standard you hold Marty and Clay to?

LMAO

You posted Research it or don't publish it.

I agree- and I posted-- if only TV5 and Star would have done this.

Reek would not be in this mess- hence Marty would not be doing part-time sleuth work on this story, missing details and pissing people off who seem to expect a higher standard from them than the paid professionals.

Dartgod 07-15-2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14349292)
You posted Research it or don't publish it.



I agree- and I posted-- if only TV5 and Star would have done this.



Reek would not be in this mess- hence Marty would not be doing part-time sleuth work on this story, missing details and pissing people off who seem to expect a higher standard from them than the paid professionals.

Keep on deflecting.

comochiefsfan 07-15-2019 04:54 PM

How is there not a decision on this yet? This is getting ridiculous.

Kiimo 07-15-2019 04:58 PM

The latest ETA is Wednesday according to Grunny.

Chief Roundup 07-15-2019 04:59 PM

I can appreciate the work that Marty, Clay, etc. has put into all this stuff.
BUT I can't help but wonder if this is actually going to hurt Hill in the eyes of the NFL. The NFL doesn't want the attention, PERIOD. It is still a negative situation that is dragging the NFL shield through "it".
There is a part of me that says it needs to be dropped for Hills sake.
I hope that those named earlier realizes that they are not going to truly change the perspective that is already out there because they are not a well known and respected group as the other douche bags that have been trashing Hill.

Kiimo 07-15-2019 05:08 PM

Who cares. Even if he gets 4 games who cares?

The important thing, for me, is that I now feel comfortable rooting for him. All of this was worth it. He's going to remain a Chief, he's going to play this year and frankly I no longer believe he ever hit her in the first place.

My conscious is clear to root freely. And I will.

And we're gonna have the sickest offense anyone has seen this side of Greatest Show on Turf.

O.city 07-15-2019 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 14349317)
The latest ETA is Wednesday according to Grunny.

Eta on an announcement?

Kiimo 07-15-2019 05:09 PM

right that's what Grunny said. He thought "around Wednesday" we'd hear something.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2019 05:32 PM

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/07/15/ty...mpaign=themmqb

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By MICHAEL MCCANN July 15, 2019

In the coming days, the office of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will announce whether Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill violated the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. If a violation is found, it would mean that Hill engaged in conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the NFL. Such “conduct detrimental” would reflect the possibility that Hill was in some way responsible for suspicious injuries suffered by his three-year-old son earlier this year, or that Hill undermined the league’s image upon media publication of a recording in which Hill tells former his fiancée, Crystal Espinal, that she needs to be “terrified” of him, or both.

The Hill situation is among the more difficult personal conduct policy decisions for Goodell, whose choices on conduct matters have often generated controversy and occasionally spawned federal lawsuits. With Hill, an incomplete set of facts coupled with ambiguous family circumstances are beyond the capacity of Goodell to clarify. If Goodell offers factual conclusions about how Hill’s son was injured, Goodell would be vulnerable to criticism that he overreached and possibly interfered in an on-going legal matter.

The commissioner will likely tread carefully. As detailed below, he has much to consider in judging Hill, whom the Chiefs have separated from team activities pending Goodell’s decision. The Chiefs expect a decision by the start of training camp on July 23.

Criminal justice system is unable to determine responsibility for the injuries

As a starting point, if Goodell concludes that Hill caused his son’s injuries, the commissioner would have reached a different conclusion than law enforcement has.

After investigating and failing to determine how the son was injured, the Overland Park Police Department and the Johnson County District Attorney’s Office dropped the investigation from their list of active engagements. It appears that some members of law enforcement believe that either Hill or Espinal is probably responsible for their son’s injuries, but law enforcement can’t establish which of the two is at fault.

It’s worth noting that law enforcement could have charged both Hill and Espinal with criminal conspiracy and hoped that one of them would have then provided crucial evidence or testimony. The logic of charging both would have been that the injuries were likely the result of an intentional or reckless assault, rather than a mere accident, and that the son was under the care of Hill or Espinal, or both, when the injuries occurred. There is also reason to believe that the son was generally at risk while in the home. In April, the Kansas Department for Children and Families (DCF) temporarily removed him from the custody of Hill and Espinal and placed into the care of others. Kansas DCF has an on-going investigation into Hill and Espinal’s parenting.

In short, there have been red flags that the son lacks safety while under the care of Hill and Espinal. Yet no criminal charges have been brought against either Hill or Espinal. This suggests that there is genuine uncertainty on the part of law enforcement, who has investigatory powers that far exceed those of Goodell, as to how the son was injured.

Significance of Hill’s denials and continued family turmoil

Hill has also repeatedly and consistently denied that he caused his son’s injuries. While a denial could be a lie—even repeated and finger-waving denials can be lies—Hill, it seems, hasn’t contradicted himself. A consistent account is not necessarily an accurate one, but if Hill’s chronicle of events had changed, there would be more reason to doubt him. It’s unclear what Hill told Goodell and NFL investigators behind closed doors. Assuming Hill’s account has remained consistent, he would not have undermined his own narrative.

This is apparent on the controversial audio recording of Hill and Espinal (more on that controversy below). On the recording, Hill repeatedly denies that he caused an injury to his son’s arm. When pressed by Espinal as to why the son would tell her that “Daddy did it,” Hill maintains that he “didn’t do nothing.” Hill also did not admit to using a belt to discipline his son (though he didn’t deny it). Hill instead blames Espinal for the apparent mistreatment of their son, claiming that she uses the belt on him.

Which of the two parents injured the son? Or was it both? Or somehow neither? It’s not clear based on what is known. This is a family situation that is happening behind closed doors and that has proven challenging to objectively assess.

This situation is also clearly in flux. Earlier this month, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County District Court that would establish Hill’s paternity of her newborn twins. She also seeks to set terms for custody and child support. In the petition, Espinal indicated that she has never been married to Hill and does not intend to be married to him. Espinal’s expressed lack of intention to marry Hill is consistent with their engagement being off.

Goodell has the right to reach his own conclusions—just ask Ezekiel Elliott

Despite what is written above, Goodell can do what he wants. He’s authorized under Article 46 of the collective bargaining agreement to reach conclusions that are inconsistent with, or that even contradict, those of law enforcement (or of scientists or journalists).

He is the decider.

This was abundantly clear in 2017 when Goodell suspended Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott for six games. Elliott had been accused of battering his ex-girlfriend but was never charged with a crime. Elliott also maintained his innocence throughout the controversy. There were also questions about the accuser’s truthfulness.

Goodell, however, reached the conclusion that there was sufficient evidence to find Elliott at fault. Goodell relied on the NFL’s own investigation, even though league investigators—unlike law enforcement and court officers—are private citizens and thus lack the power to subpoena evidence or compel witnesses to testify under oath. One might surmise that a law enforcement report is a more reliable and authoritative document than an NFL report, but Goodell is empowered to see it differently.

The Elliott matter also illustrated that law enforcement and the courts require higher burdens of persuasion to find a person at fault than does Goodell. Probable cause—which generally means a sufficient justification, based on known facts and circumstances, to believe that a person committed a crime—is needed to charge someone. Certainty beyond a reasonable doubt is needed to convict them. Meanwhile, a preponderance of evidence is required to prove that someone is liable in a civil trial.

So, what’s the relevant standard for fault under Article 46? That’s up to Goodell. He’s able to judge matters on a case-by-case basis.

Goodell could thus decide that even if It’s uncertain whether Hill is the direct cause of his son’s injuries, the seemingly chaotic environment of Hill’s home life, for which Hill presumably deserves some blame, placed his son at risk. This “Hill is responsible for the bad situation at home” type of justification could be used by Goodell to justify a punishment related to the son’s injuries—even if Goodell is, like law enforcement, unsure how those injuries occurred.

Or perhaps Goodell will decide it would be unwise on his part to judge a domestic matter of which law enforcement is unsure. To that point, the fact that Goodell has massive discretion to find that Hill is in some way responsible for his son’s injuries doesn’t mean that Goodell will invoke that discretion.

Why Goodell could punish Hill for Hill saying, “You need to be terrified of me too, b----.”

Goodell might be more inclined to find Hill at fault for his threatening comments to Espinal.

On the recording, Hill grimly warns her, “you need to be terrified of me too, b----.” This would be a menacing remark without any history between Hill and Espinal, but the relevant context makes it far more terrifying.

Four years ago, Hill pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery charges after he strangled Espinal. She was eight weeks pregnant at the time. Hill also admitted to hitting her in the face and stomach.

Goodell doesn’t need to offer a view on whether Hill is responsible for his son’s injuries to find that Hill violated the personal conduct policy by threatening Espinal. The NFL’s image with fans, broadcasters and sponsors is tarnished when its players threaten violence, particularly if the player has a specific history of violence against the person he threatens.

Hill, however, might challenge that reasoning by stressing that he (apparently) no longer admits to battering Espinal four years ago. During the longer, 11-minute, 27-second version of the recording, as aired earlier this week by 610 Sports, Hill asserts that Espinal lied about him in 2014:

“You f------ ruined my life when you lied on me in 2014. I’m still not over that . . . I [didn’t] touch you in 2014 . . . And if you want to rewind that night, we can rewind that night too (bleeped). You [were] in my house, and did I pick you up and slam you? Hell no. I picked you up and put you out my door and after that you left.”

The problem for Hill is that, as part of a plea deal, he admitted under oath to what he now denies while not under oath. Goodell, presumably, is more inclined to believe what Hill told the court than what he now says in private conversations where there is no legal risk to lying. This dynamic would be relevant if Goodell decides to punish Hill for his recent threat against Espinal and base that punishment at least in part on the context of the 2014 incident.

Could Hill sue KCTV5?

One related issue is the media’s reporting of suspicions that Hill injured his son. In April, KCTV5 published a roughly 500-word story, authored by Angie Ricono, that contained an accompanying video report. The story and video drew from an audio recording that the station had obtained through an unnamed source.

The date of the recording is uncertain, but it is thought to have occurred in early March while Hill and Espinal were walking in Dubai International Airport. Ricono’s story indicates that the recording was intended to serve as an “insurance policy” for Espinal pending how her husband addressed their son’s injuries. This implies that Espinal either made the recording or authorized it. It does not appear that Hill knew he was being recorded.

KCTV5’s excerpts focused on the accusations of child abuse, and how Hill and Espinal discussed them. As detailed above, Hill rebuffed Espinal’s insinuations that he hit their son. One excerpt also included the “you need to be afraid of me too, b----” remark.

The excerpts omitted Hill and Espinal discussing the 2014 incident, including Hill’s insistence that Espinal lied about it. This was a conscious decision by KCTV5 news editors. They had several choices on how to handle the recording. For instance, they could have focused their report on the recent controversy but still made the full recording available to viewers and readers on their website.

In an interview on Wednesday, KCTV5 news director Casey Clark explained his station’s reasoning. He maintained that the 2014 incident was no longer at issue and that comments by Hill and Espinal about it were not connected to the recent injury suffered by their son. “Our feeling on it,” Clark expressed, “was that 2014 had been asked and answered.” Clark continued by stressing, “He pleaded guilty. And he, up-to-this-point, had never publicly claimed anything having to do with him being falsely accused, wrongly prosecuted—he pleaded guilty . . . it did not have relevance.” Clark added that publishing the raw recording could have posed unintended consequences, including that Espinal “would probably know” who shared the audio with KCTV5.

Some have wondered if KCTV5’s editing of the recording in April unfairly placed Hill in a hostile spotlight. If viewers heard Hill insist that Espinal has repeatedly lied about him, the public might have been more inclined to believe Hill this time around. The fact that Hill is heard disputing an infamous incident in his life also seemed newsworthy.

It’s fair to speculate that had KCTV5 made the full recording available, the public—and, by extension, the NFL and its sponsors—might have reacted differently in April. It’s impossible to since it didn’t happen then and can’t happen now.

Still, for at least four reasons, don’t expect Hill to pursue any kind of legal action against KCTV5.

First, if Hill sues KCTV5, he opens himself up to pretrial discovery. Attorneys for KCTV5 would welcome the opportunity to question Hill, under oath, about topics relevant to the recording. Those topics would include his relationship with Espinal and his son, as well as the specific incidents at issue—the injuries to the son and the 2014 incident involving Hill and Espinal. They would also demand he share emails, texts and other information he might prefer to keep confidential.

Second, the excerpted report is not defamatory. Defamation requires an untrue statement. While KCTV5’s report removed portions of the recording, it did not add content that was untrue. Courts are also very skeptical of “defamation by omission” claims where the theory of liability is based on what is not said, rather than on what is said. This is particularly true in cases where the litigant is a public figure, as is the case here: Hill would need to prove “actual malice” by establishing that KCTV5 either knowingly published false and defaming information about him or had reckless disregard for the information’s truth or falsity. While KCTV5 can be criticized for not making the entire audio available on its website, the station did not edit the content so that it became false.

Third, and consistent with the First Amendment, news companies routinely paraphrase and excerpt sources. This is how reporting normally works. Bound by a programing schedule and necessary commercial breaks, TV newscasts can only offer so much time to a particular story. Similarly, news articles are constrained by word limits and by pragmatic considerations. For instance, a few weeks ago I wrote a Sports Illustrated story on an 88-page complaint filed against Zion Williamson for breach of contract and several other claims. My story excerpts the most newsworthy portions of the lawsuit to build a story that is (hopefully) relevant to readers and crafted in a way that is informative, understandable and digestible. Along those lines, the story isn’t anywhere near 88 pages long (if it was, I suspect readers would have clicked on another website), so it admittedly doesn’t cover everything in the lawsuit. Whether KCTV5 picked the most appropriate excerpts in its coverage of Hill can certainly be debated, but its decision to excerpt is not atypical or inherently suspect.

Fourth, to the extent Hill would have a plausible legal claim, it would be for “false light.” In media law, false light often concerns a news report that does not contain false information but is constructed in such a way that it misleads readers into false conclusions that are, in turn, damaging to the plaintiff’s reputation. For instance, a news story about one spouse shooting another and neglecting to mention, until several paragraphs in the story, that it was an accidental shooting has led to false light litigation against media companies.

Hill would likely struggle to prove false light. While he would have a point that the excerpted portion of the recording does not contain all of his denials, particularly with respect to the 2014 incident, it does contain Hill repeatedly denying the assertion that he abused his son—which is the subject matter of the current controversy.

Michael McCann is SI’s Legal Analyst. He is also an attorney and Director of the Sports and Entertainment Law Institute at the University of New Hampshire Franklin Pierce School of Law.

Kiimo 07-15-2019 05:55 PM

That's a surprisingly up to date article. Didn't expect that from SI.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2019 06:06 PM

Wonder why you deleted your post with the pictures and transcript, Clay?

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 06:06 PM

Go get it.

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Dante84 07-15-2019 06:18 PM

Oof. I’m worried this will bubble up the bad shit and **** Tyreek.

Her testimony and those pics - are not good. Not this close to the decision.

Yikes.

Dante84 07-15-2019 06:20 PM

I don’t think it helps him, only hurts him.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 06:23 PM

Really?

I disagree entirely.

Her case is flimsy. We know she was now lying about being punched. Certainly doesn't have any marks of being punched by a pro athlete, unless he punched her with a fingernail.

So what else was she lying about?

Probably everything.

Tyreek got screwed.

Dante84 07-15-2019 06:24 PM

People like florio will take the pics and only her claims and run with it to destroy him.

Hammock Parties 07-15-2019 06:25 PM

Maybe so.

I've gotten worse injuries from a cat.

And it wasn't a cheetah.

Perineum Ripper 07-15-2019 06:33 PM

How do we know she was lying about being punched?

Her testimony says he punched her under the left eye, she has marks there. Just because you don’t think it’s significant damage, doesn’t mean he didn’t.

I hope like **** he didn’t and it comes out he didn’t and she goes to prison for the shit. You just can’t state it as fact that he didn’t.

To me this might push people on the fence more against Hill than for him. Those pictures start circulating with his name attached it could really fire up the emotional side of things.

pugsnotdrugs19 07-15-2019 06:34 PM

Probably shoulda left that one alone.

Lprechaun 07-15-2019 06:34 PM

Google what Ray Rices girlfriend looked like.

Dante84 07-15-2019 06:36 PM

I feel like we are already ahead and this adds more risk

Marcellus 07-15-2019 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 14349422)
I don’t think it helps him, only hurts him.

Those pics don't look like someone who was repeatedly punched in the face and their head slammed repeatedly into a wall. Not even close.

Her claims do not align with those pictures.

Perineum Ripper 07-15-2019 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lprechaun (Post 14349448)
Google what Ray Rices girlfriend looked like.

What does Ray Rice’s girlfriend have to do with anything?

Dante84 07-15-2019 06:37 PM

Brooke and florio are going to see something different


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