Dane?

Exactly. :clap:

I love the healthy debate, but I really don't get the disrespect and name-calling. There's just no reason for it.

WTF, Lost? Why are you trying to retcon shit again? I just watched the pretty damn fantastic season 6 episode "The Substitute," in which Jacob's list of candidates is revealed. Jack is number 23 on that list despite a line of dialogue from an Other at the Hydra station, from one of the first few episodes of season 3 - the very first piece of dialogue to mention Jacob's name - that went "[Jack's] not even on Jacob's list!"

THAT DOESN'T ADD UP, LOST.

Different list I think. It's been awhile since I've seen the first several seasons, but didn't the others abduct those that were on the list and they became part of the others? I remember thinking early on that maybe those that had been deemed "good" or something along those lines were being abducted and brought into the others. Whatever the purpose, it would seem that none of the candidates were on that particular list.

IMO Ben "made up" Jacob's list. Note he had never met Jacob before he killed him. They never mentioned who got the list from Jacob so it could have been a real list brought by Richard or a fake one Ben made up.

Speaking of Ben: I can almost understand why he felt the need to kill Jacob. But killing Locke was unforgiveable. I think Locke (the real one, not the impostor) may have been my favorite of all of the Lost characters.

Different list.

Me too.

Could be. This is a very popular theory on the interwebs. But it's also possible that Jacob made various lists for various purposes. Though, Jack is a candidate from the get-go, he may not have been necessary to complete every task Jacob put the Others up to. When Pickett says, "Shephard wasn't even on Jacob's list" it's possible that he's speaking the truth. The bummer is that we never really found out specifically (though there are hints)what that list means. Whereas we do know what the list on the cave walls meant.

But I like the idea that Ben was making shit up. It plays really well into the "Man Behind The Curtain" theme.

Ben bullshitting a list is way more satisfactory than -

Lost writers: "erm, um, *mumble mumble* Its an, um, different list, erm, yeah. Another list. Yup."

Ben was always making $#it up. He'd never spoken to Jacob and was resentful about it.

Ben's "list" was always HIS list.

The fact that Jacob and the MIB were never really explained (HOW did Jacob become immortal as well as MIB) OR how the importance of Walt and Claire's kid were never explained (while being HUGE plot points and integral to the story/sometimes) OR how DHARMA even fits in to the story at all in the long run...

Very, VERY $#itty wrap up...

I agree with your comments about Ben, him motives, and his lists. I've always favored the theory that Ben was making shit up.

I think Jacob and MIB were explained. And neither of them were immortal. They both died. :)

Walt is a bit of dangling thread, which is upsetting to me. I never understood why everyone thought Aaron (Claire's baby) was so special. He wasn't. He's just Claire's son.

Actually, Reaper, can you address this? As someone who is just getting caught up and has it pretty fresh in their minds... what are you impression of Aaron and his "specialness" or importance thus far? What are you expecting or wanting in terms of resolution?

I'm very satisfied with the way DHARMA fits into the whole story. But that's just me.

Aaron hasn't been special. BUT we've been told, over and over, that he is. Claire and the need to protect Aaron was one of the primary plot threads from the first three seasons! And I don't think the show will ever go back to that plot thread. I pretty much don't forget anything - that's why I brought up Pickett's line about Jacob's list; what am I supposed to think if the Candidates list is the first list from Jacob that we see on the show? Do the show's writers think I will forget about their dropped plot threads, about their dialogue references to things unexplained? Because I don't forget. Anyway, I'm still frustrated as Hell about that psychic that pleaded with Claire over several desperate phone calls that she raise her baby - only to see in an Eko flashback a season later that he is a "hack psychic," as if showing that he is a hack will let the audience forget about his desperation wrt Claire. But that only makes his desperation all the more realistic! He's a hack but he acts like he had a real, frightening premonition this time!

Walt's whole deal is equally as frustrating. We know that he is "special" and every time someone on this show is called "special" it is pretty darn significant (well, except for when Shannon was referred to as special. More sloppy writing). But he has been ignored too.

As I will talk about when I finish the series, Lost is a show full of unresolved plot points; some of that is sloppiness and some is intentional. Through this, the show (perhaps accidentally) will achieve its greatest artistic statement.

Cool.

I don't remember anyone besides the Richard Malkin even implying that Aaron was special. Except maybe Ethan... (?) But the others only seemed interested in him for scientific reasons - trying to figure out the pregnancy issues on the island. But, like I said, it's much more fresh in you mind.

There are two answers to the "mystery" (and I use that word loosely) of Aaron and the Richard Malkin. One is, as you stated, he's just a hack. Maybe this isn't the best possible answer, but it's an answer none the less. And if that's the answer the show runners intended to give, I'm satisfied by it. But, again, I never saw the kid as important beyond his affect on the characters around him. For example, how he brings Claire and Charlie together, how he helps alter Kate's path and trigger her biggest change, etc...

The second possible answer is something that you haven't gotten to yet. It's a little out there, but we'll talk about it once you've finished.

One of my favorite moments watching the show just happened, and it has nothing at all to due with the show itself. I'm watching season 6's "Lighthouse" (off of a full season torrent, obv). The episodes so far have been recorded from a Canadian broadcast, but not this one. In the middle of the episode, a flash comes at the bottom of the screen that says "Fan sues Royals over hot dog incident - tonight on KMBC 9 news." This episode was taped from a Kansas City broadcast! w00t!

ROFL

Bucking heads with Dane, AND d/ling torrents? You'll never eat lunch in LA AGAIN!!!!