Yep. Straight up NO other GM makes that trade with the unknowns on the offense aka Hosmer and Moustakas. A team that was really ready to compete would. The Royals will be extremely lucky to get 1 playoff appearance with Shields. they won't though and he'll be traded next year

If you want to say signing Frenchy was dumb, everyone agrees. But Myers wasn't playing this year with Gordon and Cain clear starters and $7m owed on French. Did you think we'd just park 7m on the bench?

It turns out that we have but French was going to get the opportunity to bounce back and see if he could hit like 2011. If you argue that the pitchers we got would've been out-done by having Myers play all year then you'd have to prove that. I highly doubt it's true.

Who can we trade for to get more power?

I just don't believe it, I think it's just wishful thinking. It's obvious there are issues with how they develop offensive players, and the general approach to hitting they've taken the last 2 seasons. Myers is probably the best of the lot, but he's not incapable of failing. There are several guys on this team currently who also have a great deal of talent and none of them are hitting near their potential.

But that's a common thread. We're basically running a sports car in 1st gear.

Agreed.

But we essentially bet significantly on mediocrity, which is beyond infuriating. Myers represented our best long-term chance at success. Shields was, at best, win now.

And the latter isn't going to happen. Thus, we're relegated to chasing a big mistake by trading more treasure to try to acquire a bat.

People seem to forget we did get a guy with 111 innings of sub-3 era so far. He's on pace to have one of the best seasons in the past 15 years for this franchise.

Meh, whatever, it's time to move on from this trade.

With Myers, we likely would have been cemented in the toilet this year. Eric Hosmer absolutely raked during his rookie season, and how much did that do for our overall record?

We weren't signing a big time SP free agent, trading was our only option.

I wasn't a fan of the trade when it happened, and it's quite possible that the trade will blow up in our faces, but let's quit pretending that we would be in a better position with Myers.

We wouldn't be, and it's quite possible Myers will still pull a Hosmer/Moose like regression as the season moves forward (those two also dominated when they first started, remember?)

TL;DR: Yes, the trade could blow up in our faces, but hey, at least it will be the end of Dayton if it does!

And it matters the **** not. Which is the ****ing point.

You know when Myers would have mattered? In '15+, when DM's stupid ****ing ass is fired and a competent (we hope) GM is running things.

Yeah, but if our offensive players develop we don't have this discussion. Shields is not the problem... he's been great. Just one year ago this starting rotation was equally as bad as our offense is now. If these guys hit they can legitimately be a playoff caliber team... which I wasn't sure was possible.

No, no. You can hate the trade and still appreciate Shields.

He's a stud. Awesome pitcher who has been sensational this year. The problem is that having Shields in the rotation for a year and a half is about as important as having Soria as a lights-out closer on a 100-loss team.

I can't be happy or even see a good side even if the Myers trade gets moore fired.
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you said it perfectly imo
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You're banking on us being good in 2015. Under what basis? Danny Duffy and Ventura being starters? We had a two year window with our best bats under cost control, which won't be te case after next year.

There are many reasons we aren't winning and many criticisms of Moore, but this trade thus far is clearly not one.

Yeah, it's not a two-year window. Gordon through '16. Hosmer through '18. Etc.

There was a reason why Rany went on suicide watch when the trade went down last winter, and it's not because DM suddenly became savvy.

I don't know... there's merit to it... but to me that's almost like saying we don't need a QB because the team sucks. But I think having a front line starter is really important. Having a great offense and five #3 starters isn't going to get you anywhere.

Hosmer and Moose are in their third year. This is when they are supposed to get it. Gordon and Butler are in the prime of their career. Perez is locked in. The pieces are there.