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milkman 12-11-2011 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8190466)
Sadly, Haley will be brought back next year and the injuries will be an excuse.
I really doubt that he will be brought back.

Cassel, however, will.

notorious 12-11-2011 03:07 PM
Manning-less Indy has scored more points than our pile of shit team.

O.city 12-11-2011 03:08 PM
I just don't want Cassel back.


Whatever has to happen for that to happen is ok by me.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8190457)
Two of the wins this years were, literally, statistical miracles (SD and CHI). The bottom line is that when a team fails as miserably as the Chiefs have, large changes have to happen, and Haley has been complicit with the overall suck. Because he...wait for it...sucks.
We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run. (correction... in 2010, that is)

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.

FringeNC 12-11-2011 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8190407)
The point being that you have no idea how the head coach would respond with better players, who allow you to actually do things with your playbook other than grind the ball on the ground because you don't trust your QB.

I would still argue that putting the Chiefs in the playoffs last year and winning 5 games this year with the kind of talent we have is nothing short of a miracle. We win games because we outplay other teams. I can't think of any legit playoff teams where our team comes even CLOSE to the talent level they have.
We were at least an NFL-average with Tyler Thigpen the 2nd half of that season. With Haley+Cassel (or Palko) - Charles, we are the worst in the league. Do we really have less talent on offense now? It may ALL be on the QBs, but at this point, may as well let someone else give it a try.

DeezNutz 12-11-2011 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8190506)
We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run.

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.
Any team with a franchise QB is consistently strong (or has a tremendous chance to be strong, at the very least).

jd1020 12-11-2011 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8190506)
We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run. (correction... in 2010, that is)

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.
I like your devoted, blind, defense of Haley.

notorious 12-11-2011 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8190506)
We won Chicago because of hustle. We only barely beat San Diego because our QB shit the bed in the second half. How many games have we lost in the past two years primarily because our QB didn't execute the plays called in? I would argue that last year, if Haley had an average QB (not even an Aaron Rodgers. Matt Hasselbeck or Andy Dalton), the Chiefs would have overwhelmingly won the division and had a good playoff run. (correction... in 2010, that is)

Haley getting fired would be scapegoating for the absolutely shitty decisions Pioli made at QB. Haley's been anything but perfect, but he was also given very little to work with. This team doesn't need large changes. They need a new QB. If you keep Haley and you bring in a legit QB, I guarantee this team is consistently strong.
We all agree with your QB point. We are pissed at Haley for not giving our future backup QB some playing time.

kcpasco 12-11-2011 03:13 PM
At this point I wouldn't mind if Haley was fired. But if Haley is fired and Cassel stay we should all mail antifreeze to Chiefs management.

notorious 12-11-2011 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 8190528)
At this point I wouldn't mind if Haley was fired. But if Haley is fired and Cassel stay we should all mail antifreeze to Chiefs management.
This.


Many of us have stated that we are done as Chiefs fans if Cassel is back.



.............

Okie_Apparition 12-11-2011 03:16 PM
IF Joshie is brought in
Casssel gets two years, the second because of a new offense excuse
Big screen tvs will flood KC pawn shops

kcpasco 12-11-2011 03:18 PM
If Josh is brought in I will drink antifreeze

jd1020 12-11-2011 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 8190536)
This.


Many of us have stated that we are done as Chiefs fans if Cassel is back.



.............
And I bet the many of you that said that will still be posting next year if/when Cassel starts opening day next year.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8190512)
We were at least an NFL-average with Tyler Thigpen the 2nd half of that season. With Haley+Cassel (or Palko) - Charles, we are the worst in the league. Do we really have less talent on offense now? It may ALL be on the QBs, but at this point, may as well let someone else give it a try.
This is the worst offensive unit we've ever had from a talent perspective when Palko/Stanzi are your only QB options.

We have below average RBs and very bad options at QB. At least in most eras, we at least had good enough RBs to keep defenses on their toes.

kysirsoze 12-11-2011 03:19 PM
What an amazing front pge of threads we have.


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