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DeepSouth 06-24-2014 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10712673)

thank you sir.

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10712677)
I thought you didn't trade an arm for an arm or a bat for a bat. I thought it was one of the other (especially starters)

Generally, you don't.

The Royals have been to 3 straight Samardzija starts. Unless they're making the trade without including Duffy or Ventura, it doesn't help them win this year, at least not THAT much.

C3HIEF3S 06-24-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10712674)
Guess the Broxton trade now is a bust with Joseph being DFA.

There's still that JC Sulbaran guy down at AA, he's having a pretty good year IIRC.

jbwm89 06-24-2014 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712709)
Generally, you don't.

The Royals have been to 3 straight Samardzija starts. Unless they're making the trade without including Duffy or Ventura, it doesn't help them win this year, at least not THAT much.

It could be an opportunity to replace James Shields for next year and get better this year. Maybe a package that includes Zimmer as the "close to ready" pitcher and another top prospect or two.

I would hate to get rid of Mondesi and Zimmer for Samardzija but that could get it done without moving Duff or Ventura.

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 10712749)
It could be an opportunity to replace James Shields for next year and get better this year. Maybe a package that includes Zimmer as the "close to ready" pitcher and another top prospect or two.

I would hate to get rid of Mondesi and Zimmer for Samardzija but that could get it done without moving Duff or Ventura.

No effing way I make that move.

In two full years as a starter in the NL, Jeff Samardzija has never posted an ERA under 3.83. He started last season hot as well, then turned to dogshit from June on.

March/April 2013: 3.35 ERA, 1.17 WHIP
May 2013: 2.31, 0.91
June 2013: 4.20 ERA, 1.48 WHIP
July 2013: 5.28, 1.57
August 2013: 5.54, 1.49
September/October 2013: 5.58, 1.50


March April 2014: 1.98 ERA, 1.24 ERA
May 2014: 1.32, 0.85
June 2014: 4.82, 1.54

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 03:55 PM

Better move remains acquiring a bat.

Adrian Beltre is by far the best target for the Royals, so let's hope the Rangers continue to tank.

AndChiefs 06-24-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712766)
No effing way I make that move.

In two full years as a starter in the NL, Jeff Samardzija has never posted an ERA under 3.83. He started last season hot as well, then turned to dogshit from June on.

March/April 2013: 3.35 ERA, 1.17 WHIP
May 2013: 2.31, 0.91
June 2013: 4.20 ERA, 1.48 WHIP
July 2013: 5.28, 1.57
August 2013: 5.54, 1.49
September/October 2013: 5.58, 1.50


March April 2014: 1.98 ERA, 1.24 ERA
May 2014: 1.32, 0.85
June 2014: 4.82, 1.54

Plus he'd be moving from the NL to the AL.

jbwm89 06-24-2014 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712766)
No effing way I make that move.

In two full years as a starter in the NL, Jeff Samardzija has never posted an ERA under 3.83. He started last season hot as well, then turned to dogshit from June on.

March/April 2013: 3.35 ERA, 1.17 WHIP
May 2013: 2.31, 0.91
June 2013: 4.20 ERA, 1.48 WHIP
July 2013: 5.28, 1.57
August 2013: 5.54, 1.49
September/October 2013: 5.58, 1.50


March April 2014: 1.98 ERA, 1.24 ERA
May 2014: 1.32, 0.85
June 2014: 4.82, 1.54

What about for one or the other? Let's say Zimmer and a guy like Jorge Bonafacio or Cuthbert?

I'm not sold on him either, I am just saying there are ways to get this deal done without giving up Duffy/Ventura and moving sideways.

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 10712782)
What about for one or the other? Let's say Zimmer and a guy like Jorge Bonafacio or Cuthbert?

I'm not sold on him either, I am just saying there are ways to get this deal done without giving up Duffy/Ventura and moving sideways.

I'm still not a huge fan of Jeff Samardzija and still not convinced he doesn't go Luke Hochevar on you in the second half of the season.

If they're going to move Zimmer, I'd rather see it be for an impact bat. I absolutely would not include Mondesi in any deal, period, unless it's for David Price.

I'd be interested in seeing what Texas says if offered something like Zimmer, Cuthbert and Moustakas (maybe add a piece or subtract a piece) long before offering a similar package for Jeff Samardzija.

Chiefspants 06-24-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10712583)
Go ahead and cite me bashing all the players you listed this year. Back it up or shut it up.

You make this too easy.

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10633094)
When will the media turn on Butler and Gordon? They are utter disgraces.

Is there anything more annoying than Gordon hitting a long fly out, and posing like he just hit a 450-foot Barry Bonds rocket? Alex: you suck. You aren't good.


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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9916871)
The problem is we got dog crap for Zack. Tampa would never trade a David Price for the garbage we got from Milwaukee.


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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9906545)
Greinke has a 790 OPS, 132 wRC and a 1.0 WAR at the plate this year in only 55 AB. Alshitty Escobar has a 571 OPS, 52 wRC and -2.0 WAR at the plate.



BUT WE WON THE TRADE DAMMIT


And are you still arguing that Salvy should have been platooned when he has a .290 career average against righties? You are a professional at hyperbolic overreactions and as your past posts prove, there is little reason to take your conclusions seriously.

jbwm89 06-24-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712786)
I'm still not a huge fan of Jeff Samardzija and still not convinced he doesn't go Luke Hochevar on you in the second half of the season.

If they're going to move Zimmer, I'd rather see it be for an impact bat. I absolutely would not include Mondesi in any deal, period, unless it's for David Price.

I'd be interested in seeing what Texas says if offered something like Zimmer, Cuthbert and Moustakas (maybe add a piece or subtract a piece) long before offering a similar package for Jeff Samardzija.

If Zimmer didn't have the injury issues I think that is a realistic possibility. I just wonder how much teams are really going to give up in a deal that is centered around a guy who has basically been hurt for a year.

ChiTown 06-24-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712770)
Better move remains acquiring a bat.

Adrian Beltre is by far the best target for the Royals, so let's hope the Rangers continue to tank.

after they finish their series with DET:evil:

blake5676 06-24-2014 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10712793)
You make this too easy.










And are you still arguing that Salvy should have been platooned when he has a .290 career average against righties? You are a professional at hyperbolic overreactions and as your past posts prove, there is little reason to take your conclusions seriously.

Hahahaha...I love it! Good luck getting the bitch to eat crow, however. The more likely outcome is zero acknowledgement or his standard moving of the goalposts. Good find though!!

Prison Bitch 06-24-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10712793)
You make this too easy.










And are you still arguing that Salvy should have been platooned when he has a .290 career average against righties? You are a professional at hyperbolic overreactions and as your past posts prove, there is little reason to take your conclusions seriously.


I'm not convinced we "won" the Greinke deal. You are? So far Esobar and Cain have been pretty blasé, until this season. If Cain stays healthy then it changes quite a bit. Also you have to NPV trades. Getting some more WAR in the out years doesn't equal getting it now, nor does it account for the fact Milwaukee has already replaced both (with equal or better players mind you) at the same cost.

Chiefspants 06-24-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10712844)
I'm not convinced we "won" the Greinke deal. You are? So far Esobar and Cain have been pretty blasé, until this season. If Cain stays healthy then it changes quite a bit. Also you have to NPV trades. Getting some more WAR in the out years doesn't equal getting it now, nor does it account for the fact Milwaukee has already replaced both (with equal or better players mind you) at the same cost.

Still firm on your (Late April 2014) belief that Gordo is an "utter disgrace?"


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