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Originally Posted by Old Dog (Post 9702998)

OK, I'll have to ask another stupid question....Why do you say it's not a long term solution?

When people make fixes to their swings they generally tend to overdo it, as what once felt new no longer does, so you strive for the new feeling.

Think of it this way:

You start stretching. You feel a burn once you get to a certain spot. Over time, where you once felt the burn you no longer do, you have to stretch deeper to get the same "burn". Although the feeling is the same in both positions, your body isn't in an identical position.

Sometimes I like to feel like I'm taking the club away with only my right hand. If I haven't been doing this for a while, this can iron out certain shot shapes for me. But, if I've been doing it for a few days my body has actually adjusted to the new feel, and although both days feel like I'm taking it away with my right hand it's much more pronounced on the second or third day, because I'm used to the feeling and do it more, just like you can stretch deeper in subsequent days.

In short: treat your swing like an ongoing dialogue rather than an finished conversation. If you start to notice that the ball is flying all over the place with your "new" stance or you are mishitting it more, move your right foot back up to where it was before. You'll find that you've actually trained yourself to take the club back and down on a more correct path.

The mistake that most amateurs make is doubling down. "The teacher told me to strengthen my grip, now I'm not hitting shots well with that grip any more. Let's go even stronger!"

When you put it like that it makes perfect sense. Thank You

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9703130)

You start stretching. You feel a burn once you get to a certain spot. Over time, where you once felt the burn you no longer do, you have to stretch deeper to get the same "burn". Although the feeling is the same in both positions, your body isn't in an identical position.

I love Maynard but this is getting way more T00L than I care to follow...

You can't stop Kohki Idoki, you can only hope to contain him.

I'm currently working on a pretty sizable swing change.

I'm working on increasing the steepness of my shoulder turn. I have a tendency to come out of shots because my shoulder turn is too flat.

Something I noticed on the range tonight whilst struggling is the amount that I don't have to use my arms in the swing. I've always just kind of slung my arms around my spine and made close to a 90 degree turn. I've found that if I focus more on steepening my shoulder turn and I swing my arms my swing gets wayyyy too long, I get really far across the line, and I fat the piss out of the ball.

However, if I assume that my chest and arms form a triangle, then keep the butt of the clubhead inside of that triangle as I turn, I am able to absolutely murder the ball. I still have a hard time turning at the right angle, but I build up some massive torque in the prcoess.

Merion got assaulted by rain this week and is near flood conditions. If they can't dry it out the course is going to get absolutely massacred.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9724504)

I would imagine with a flat turn you tend to hit alot of hooks when your body gets lazy and the arms turn over as well?

Thats a pretty good change to happen, IMO. Had a close buddy go through the same thing in high school. Our swing coach was a Golf Machine guy as I previously mentioned, so it is a fairly tough transition to go thru. Being flat like that, or single plane, is a decent way to hit long clubs, but it doesn't make sense to me to hit short irons like that.

By being more upright like you are working on, you'll find that you will compress the shit out of the ball, being more of a hitter than a swinger. You'll probably find that it could become a bit more inconsistent driving the ball, but you will become an infinitely better short iron player as your ball striking will improve.

I'm a more upright player and have always played about a 5 yard fade when I'm playing my best with driver and long clubs and about a 10 foot one with the short clubs, and IMO, it's a better and more controlled way to play. I'm a taller guy so I am able to get alot of leverage and lag thru the ball, so I've never struggled with distance, so hitting a fade is fine with me.

But anyway, IMO, this will be a good transition for you. I don't know if you have access to video of yourself, but if you are interested I can send you some stuff that my buddy worked on when he was making a similar transition that works pretty well.

It's pretty cool to see the tour guys play a course you've actually played. TPC at Southwind is a really really tough course to play.

Golf cart is getting there....still a little work to do, but here it is now.
http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7fd15d73.jpg

US Open week. Interesting picture from the range yesterday.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMadxjhCUAAyNOE.jpg

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9739234)

It's pretty cool to see the tour guys play a course you've actually played. TPC at Southwind is a really really tough course to play.

Just got an email to play Southwind on Monday for $125. My game is complete ass right now, or I'd be driving down.

Damn....nice ride Smitty.

And in LaPlata you can drive your golf cart to any place in town in about two minutes.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9743954)

And in LaPlata you can drive your golf cart to any place in town in about two minutes.

True, but I am at Kirksville country club now :thumb:

sweeeeet ... had a pair of those pioneer surface mount speakers...

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 9744058)

sweeeeet ... had a pair of those pioneer surface mount speakers...

Yeah, they came on a cart I was redoing several years back. They fit awesome on the Yamaha Drive

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 9743591)

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Thinking of going with Flat black on body and top, then grey seats with a few yellow accents in different places.

If this thing ever goes up for sale, please PM me. Awesome looking. :titus:

Setting up for another disappointing US Open. It will be the second year in three that the course is going to be waterlogged, and the year in between it was played at suckass Olympic.

I don't know what the hell the USGA was thinking scheduling the Open on a course that is completely defenseless if it gets wet. Idiotic.

Thats the draw. It's gonna be brutal if you get in bad spots.

In my draft I got

Jason Day
Matt Kuchar
Angel Cabrera
Zach Johnson
Dustin Johnson

But who knows. That course is setup to destroy players.

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 9744925)

But who knows. That course is setup to destroy players.

ROFL ROFL

Double digits under will win this. Guys will just hit hybrid off of most tees and throw darts with wedges.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9744943)

ROFL ROFL

Double digits under will win this. Guys will just hit hybrid off of most tees and throw darts with wedges.

If there is a player that can be that accurate all 4 days then sure. I think the best score there was a -4 the last two or three US Opens. Dude those fairways are narrow. The rough is brutal. The US Open is the toughest Major setup, the rain might help though to stick and slow the greens. Its a par 70 with like a reeruned 150 slope rating. I'll be suprised if the winning is 10 under.

A 6500 yard course in 1981 is about a 7300 yard course today. On top of that, those guys were using balls that spin more and drivers that were orders of magnitude less forgiving.

Dan Pohl led the PGA Tour in driving distance in 1981 at 280 yards. Bubba Watson averaged 315 last year.

That course had a margin of error for survival if it was firm and fast. But with rain soaked fairways and greens, and distances that are 25 yards longer per club than the last Open there, that course is going to get its ass handed to it unless Davis goes full Shinnecock on the greens, and I don't even know how that is possible with as wet as they are.

A few interesting Mickelson notes:

1) He flew back to San Diego Monday night to attend his daughter's 8th grade graduation and won't fly back to Merion until Wednesday night. He has a 7:11 am tee time.

2) He's not carrying a driver this week. Honestly, I think this makes little difference for him due to the nature of his swing. When he's off he'll miss fairways with 6 irons.

Mickleson needs that Perfect Putter Dangerfield had in Caddyshack...

http://stogied.com/wp-content/upload...angerfield.png

Just ditched the TM FW/Hybrids in my bag and replaced them with Callaway's X Hot Pro series. Can't wait to get these out on the range tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9748899)

The USGA is ****ed.

This is why I'm not a big fan of the graduated rough setup (yes, I know that Merion doesn't have it). They need to pick courses that have a combination of length and penal rough to defend themselves, otherwise they'll get slaughtered when it's soupy. The latter ****ed Congressional. The former is going to **** Merion.

They have to mitigate the weather as a variable as much as possible, and that's the only way to do it w/o turning the greens into clown shoes.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9749038)

To me this is just doesn't matter. Why does it matter? All the players play the same course under the same conditions and if the conditions are such that the scores are low why does that matter? It might matter if it's your club I guess but to me as a fan :shrug: I don't give a shit. That said I just played 9 holes and shot -1. :thumb: Go me!

They should make them go back to feather balls.

Not me mind you, but them.

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 9749271)

They should make them go back to feather balls.

Not me mind you, but them.

I always thought it would be cool to have a pro tournament where they equipped each player with a set of hickory sticks and matching balls for that era. See how todays players handle what used to be the norm.

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9749287)

That would be cool

still a lot of golf to be played today, but scores are high!

So...where are the low scores that the experts promised?

Only one guy better than -1 at the moment and it's Mickelson.

Manboobs will blow it

If he does, it doesn't look like it will be today.

Scores not as low as I thought but lotta guys still on the course to play

Phil off to a good start

Usually falls apart on Sunday afternoon at the open

U.S. Open winning score should be around even par not 10 under

Apparently Tiger has hurt his wrist hitting out of the rough. Outside of rolling in a bomb, Tiger hasn't been able to make a putt.

Few thoughts:

I am surprised that a soft course was that resistant scoring, but it looks like the players later in the day have put up better scores. What was interesting is that the greens were incredibly receptive and putted true but not lightning fast, and yet the players couldn’t throw them close enough early to go on a run. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Mickelson’s score stand up, because Donald and Scott started on the easy nine. You get this course on 1-13 and try to survive on 14-18.

Mickelson has always been a player who plays well in 5-6 hole stretches. If he’s on, he can play the other 12 holes somewhere around even. Today he was playing rather “blah” golf with the exception that his 3-wood stayed in the fairway and he made several par saves. That said, he didn’t putt out of his mind (29 overall). It was more of a Jim Furyk round with an occasional bouts of Phil insanity, like the saves on 5 and 6. That said, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him struggle tomorrow, as exhausting nights usually affect you the day after rather than the night of.

I have no idea how Tiger will end up. I think he was lucky that his round ended when it did, which will allow him to iron out kinds before he meets the teeth of the course. He could play the last seven -1 or +3, but I’d expect the former. Who knows if his wrist is really bothering him. Either way he'll make it seem like it isn't.

Now, on to a gripe:

There was a ruling on the third hole today where Steve Stricker hit a ball in the sand of a bunker right underneath the low hanging limbs of an evergreen tree. He called in multiple rules officials before one gave him an idiotic ruling that he was not in the bunker. This allowed him to take an unplayable lieand drop outside of the bunker, whereas if he was ruled in the bunker he would not have been allowed a drop. It saved him multiple shots, and it’s the kind of bullshit that makes me hate tournament golf, as the pros appeal more than death row inmates until they finally find an ignorant jackass willing to kowtow to their wishes.

I think they were able to, with the greens having the slope they do, put pins in spots where you just cant get at, or can't take a chance to get at.

Even with the course being as soft as it was, it still is the US Open and I think that fact plays into guys minds a bit, making them more cautious.

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 9749266)

I think the US Open should be a brutal test. Brutal. And they don't all play the same course; anyone who has ever set foot on a golf course should know that weather can greatly impact playing conditions. Have you ever seen a British Open? The first requirement to win is to get the good draw.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9750689)

I agree

Nobody is scoring on this golf course and it's only getting faster out there. Only 5 players under par in total still.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9744774)

LOL

Chris Berman has his place at ESPN (it's fading), but he shouldn't be anchoring the US Open. He just doesn't fit.

Tiger blowing a big opportunity. Had it at +2 (-1 on day) going into the easiest stretch to close his round. Bogeyed 7 from the fairway and now probably going to bogey 8. Really favoring his wrist the last hole. His game around the green has been really bad. Evening play should be interesting

Great par save. Par, birdie to close would be outstanding

There was a Sportscenter commercial on several years ago where Evander Holyfield found out that Charlie Steiner said he was the 50th best heavyweight...in Georgia. Holyfield then stalked the hallways yelling out "Charlie, c'mon out and take your whuppin," as Steiner cowered underneath his desk.

Well, I'm here to take my whuppin'. I thought this was going to end up like Congressional. I was, in the words of Dr. Cox, "Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong/ wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong."

If I'm the USGA, I'm never going back to Congressional, not Merion.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides (Post 9752090)

He's still grinded out the 3rd best round of the day to this point (behind Horschel -2, McIlroy -1) despite all of the problems. If he finishes +3, he should be right there going into the weekend (assuming this course keeps playing as difficult this evening for Phil and the rest).

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9752109)

You weren't the only one to say the least. Pretty much every pundit and personality earlier this week said they would destroy this course.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9752127)

Absolutely. Putting much better.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9752109)

Same here. I really thought professional golfers would destroy this place, as wet as it was/is.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9752136)

You weren't the only one to say the least. Pretty much every pundit and personality earlier this week said they would destroy this course.

The rough is the big difference. They aren't having to hit hybrids into these greens, and the greens are still like superglue. Five woods are embedding in their pitch marks. But the rough is so dense and juicy that it's a legitimate penalty to the bomb-and-gouge type players, and the lack of graduated rough around the greens has significantly increased difficulty as well.

Another thing that makes this course difficult is the fact that the par 5s are not birdie holes. Two is easier than four, but still.

Still, pros should not be missing fairways with four irons, like Rory just did.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9752147)

Same here. I really thought professional golfers would destroy this place, as wet as it was/is.

It's still soup out there. There was a photo of Tiger putting at earthworm level earlier and his shoes and pant legs were absolutely caked in mud splatter.

That was not a horrendous lie. You could see McIlroy's ball, and it was sitting up. Begay is a Ripple-chugging moron.

Mickelson well on his way to an 80.

Wind looks to be dying down. I might expect some better scores

Wow. What a horseshit ruling for Kuchar. That should be an unplayable lie.

Great round by Horschel, three shots better than the next best completed round (Woods and others at E). They didn't show much of it at all, but he went -1 on the 14-18 stretch and hit every green in every regulation. He could be the leader after two rounds with that score.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9752274)

I'd bet on it. I highly doubt his ability to hold up to US Open pressure, though. To call him a hothead is putting it mildly.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9752282)

I'd bet on it. I highly doubt his ability to hold up to US Open pressure, though. To call him a hothead is putting it mildly.

Could be one of those 80 scores in the final group waiting to happen. We shall see.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9752218)

Mickelson well on his way to an 80.

:clap:

Mickelson saving par from inside the hazard at 5 appears to have settled him down somewhat. He needs to try and pick up one or two shots through 13.

Colsaerts was on his way to having a Mickelson-esque round, hitting no fairways or greens yet still scoring, but his ball just found a watery grave on 9.

And Bubba rinses one on 9 too.

He really thought he made it from 145. Nice shot.

Then he hits like the best shot all day on the 9th, the 2nd toughest hole on the course today.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9752454)

Then he hits like the best shot all day on the 9th, the 2nd toughest hole on the course today.

Donald put one to tap in range earlier today. It was a brilliant shot.

Absolutely pathetic putting display.

I'm pretty sure that Mickelson had 18 putts through his first nine holes. He averages 28 per round.

It amazes me how many guys are missing fairways with ****ing irons.

And a brutally stupid error in course management compounds it. Now he's likely to drop a shot on a cake par 4.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9752472)

It amazes me how many guys are missing fairways with ****ing irons.

And these aren't Olympic fairways either. It's not like they are 45 degree cants where nothing can hold them. Every fairway is, essentially, a 25 yard wide green and they can't hit it.

Goes to show you how much golf is just a bomb and gouge game now. None of these guys can hit the broad side of a barn with extremely forgiving balls and clubs.

The most unconscionably pathetic display of putting by a professional golfer I've ever seen. Twenty-six putts through 13 holes.

Mickelson played the birdie holes +2. He'll be lucky to finish tied with Tiger.

That ruling I talked about w/ Stricker yesterday is looming large now. It was Els at Oakmont in '94 bad.

Here's a picture.

It's sitting on a small patch of green, but there is sand a foot in front of it and around all sides.

http://static3.businessinsider.com/i...ot-us-open.jpg

BRUTAL.

We'll see if they can master this course tomorrow.

Day is still in the hunt. In fact I would say anyone +8 is still in the hunt.