I guess no credit is given unless a guy is under pressure, goes from one side of the field to the other 3 times and throws a 50 yard laser underhanded.

awesome. so QBs don't make reads or manipulate the defense with their eyes. Brees is one of the best at it. We need someone with the ability to do this.

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You have vids of him doing that in college?

Was Brees doing that from day 1?

Unfortunately that is one of Geno's main flaws. You can't stare down WR's in the NFL and expect success. Cassel did that with Bowe and well....we know how that ended.

OH MY GOD GUYZ!!!! QBS CAN NEVER GET BETTER! IF HE WASN'T DOING IT IN COLLEGE.....HE'S NEVER GOING TO DO IT IN THE NFL!!!

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You want to see him under pressure and make a read?

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In all seriousness, I'd say 85% of a Qb's "reads" are done presnap. Usually, in most route combinations, depending on defensive alignment, you will have a deep read, intermediate read, and a short read. As a Qb, you are taught to read deep to short, when time in the pocket permits. Other defensive alignments require a route underneath, pulling LBs up, a deep post pulling safeties back and an intermediate in the middle drop zone.

Zone vs. man reads are alot different. You can't always say a guy "locks" onto a wr, and know exactly that it is infact what he did. For instance, presnap if I know I have single converage on the outside with my speed guy and he's running a deep go or a flag, I'm "locking" on to him until I determine he's beating his man or not. If it's a post and I know there in single deep or cover 3 (unlikely route combo IMO) I've gotta move that guy in the middle and hope my guy beats the man under.

Watch some of Brady's 2007 tape. He locks onto Moss, nearly every play action pass and waits, because he knows presnap where and what he's seeing.

Most plays don't have reads on a single side, with a route or two on the other side that are usually the 3 or 4th read and you have on average 2.5 seconds to determine what to do.

That was against Marshall, Pest. That one doesn't count.

The fact of zone vs. man will determine alot of "reads". IIRC, OU plays alot of man and man under with a single safety.

Show me a better college deep ball. Cmon bubb still waiting for Brees looking off safeties like a madman in college as well.

In that Brees film, most of his look offs, or the first few minutes I watched, teams are playing alot of straight zone. The Bears play Tampa 2, which makes it a must by the Qb to move guys around.

It's not that O. It's comparing a 10 year pro headed for the HOF to a college Sr.

This. It's ****ing stupid.

It's like coming out and saying that this team needs Joe Montana in his prime to be successful. If that was the case....no one would EVER draft a QB.