No, you dont...

I usually think youre a pretty reasonable guy, but you are sounding a little ignorant at times in this thread...and perhaps emotional for some reason or another..

You make it sound like there is a clear "right" and wrong when it comes to spanking.

There really isn't.

If you have kids and you never spank them, and they turn out great..hey kudos to you man...

But until that day for you to judge someone elses parents in terms of 'right' and 'wrong' when its such a grey area is complete bullshit in my eyes....and I think that even if you chose not to use corporal punishment, your version of 'right and wrong' might soften a bit as you have and make friends with kids and you interact with other parents who use different methods than you think is "right" and still raise great kids.

(Obviously Im not talking about child abuse here, just typical corporal punishments)

Once again...

You can still have just as much love for your parents regardless of how they disciplined you. You know and everybody knows that they were doing what they thought was the best option.

That doesn't mean they were right, though.
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I wasn't aware there was a right and wrong section in the manual of raising kids that I didn't get with my child when they made us leave the hospital..

I will have to go back to the hospital, get the manual and read that section.

I'd say there are obviously some things that are wrong.
One of them is doing things that leave lash marks and scabs from bleeding all of the kid's body.

Nice job straw man king

Guess what...You failed to mention the part in my other post where I agreed with you, you ****ing dipshit.

You and every other assbergers virgin in this thread with no kids ought to be treated like blacks were back in 1820.....40% of your opinion ought to be outright void, from the outset.

Oh you mean there are laws

thanks for the insight

I'm just talking about beating kids with rods, hoses, racecar tracks, switches, belts, and anything else people think is still acceptable.

I know that you know the purpose behind discipline isn't to cause harm or pain. It's a correction. You want to correct the behavior.

I'm still not fully behind spanking, but I'm not about to call it barbaric. Hitting your kids with various implements is. It's saying, "You know, my kid won't listen, and I could just spank them on the butt with just my hand to get my message across, but it'd probably be better if I actually caused some real pain to the child. I think that'd be better for them."

How do you know who has kids?

Well, there's a start for that manual you were looking for.

Theres not much difference between spanking your kid with a hand and spanking him with some sort of implement..IF you dont do EITHER to the point where it leaves a mark...

I personally think the implement route (belt, paddle..etc..) is more of a psychological trick than something to 'increase the pain'

I was DEATHLY afraid of the belt of my father even though I only ever got it one time.....I NEVER acted up around him.....I was on my best behavior....My mom, never laid a finger on me and barely punished me for anything and I was a little shit and took advantage of it...

I had both ends of the spectrum.....and I can tell you there is no "right" or "wrong" for these things...(obviously excepting things that break laws like leaving marks etc)...

I would just be wary of making broad generalizations, thats all....I am SUPER lucky with my kid...He literally asks to go to bed..I barely ever have to even give him time outs , let alone spank him...Ive only ever had to give him a swat like 4 times..mainly for running out quickly towards the street and dangerous things like that....

But I know parents who have kids who are just a handful, and don't listen at all.....so I dont judge anyone who uses forms of corporal punishment.

Is that what your parents used to raise you, the legal code?

No wonder you're so "normal"

I know you don't, because no one in their right mind would handle your semen.

Why were you deathly afraid of your dad's belt? Probably because it was pretty painful when your father used it on you that one time? And if you're going to use a tool to discipline your kids, but you don't want it to leave a mark, why make the act of disciplining such a harrowing experience? Is the tool really necessary? Of course it's not. I don't buy that it's healthy psychology either. This isn't the "Haw haw I ate all your Halloween candy" kind of psychological mind game we're talking about. It's shit that children remember and harbor for their entire lives.

Spanking at least acknowledges some restraint. We can go back and forth all day about its effectiveness, but we don't need to, and I don't want to have that conversation. Spanking DOES stop short of ritualizing the discipline. It's in REACTION to something the child did wrong, like running out into the street. I refuse to spank my children under any circumstances if/when I have kids, but I know better than to question a parent's judgment if they use spanking and it gets the desired effect.

If you need to use a tool to discipline your child, you're either uninformed, you refuse to actually consider what you're doing to your kid just because the culture and environment you grew up in told you it's right, or you have anger/emotional issues. Or a mixture of all three. And again, I'm not calling anybody's parents who used that stuff bad people. In our parents' time, there wasn't research out there. The culture was different. Some of those parents probably were deranged assholes, but 95% of them probably did it because that's what they knew and because they believed it was only for the best. The times are certainly different now, where you have all kinds of resources available to understand what using that shit on kids will do. If you're a parent today and won't at least CONSIDER not whipping your kids with shit because you believe they'll get spoiled, that's sad. Yes, those kinds of people are WRONG. And they need to change their parenting.

I consider myself fairly open-minded, Pawn. I can see things from a lot of different perspectives, and I like to think I'm fairly empathetic on most issues. This is not one of them. I'm well aware of that. You can call it generalizing all you want, but I'm not budging. They're ****ing children. It's immoral to treat them that way.