Rivers is a borderline elite QB.
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It's been a long time coming. Adiós.
 

That's basically Sandy Cheek's cop out.

"Name me one QB that plays well with subpar receivers and line! Just one! Betcha can't do it!"

"Rivers, Brady, Luck, Tannehill, Palmer, Wilson."

"Well, those guys are like good and stuff!"

Yeah, I feel sorry for Rivers having to deal with future Hall of Fame teammates like LaDanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Poor guy.

Rivers is the most overrated QB in this forum that I've ever seen, even more so than Flacco or Wilson.

His defense held the record setting Patriots to 14 points in 2008 and 17 points in 2012.

Eli's a very good QB but like most NFL QB's, he can't win it alone.

Despite all of the received handjobs and bluster, you have yet to give that list...

We'll continue on until you admit that you have... what?

1. Brady
2. ???

your move, chump.

No. Not MY own rankings. Let us actually discuss where these team aspects may rank.. oh god forbid. Can you? Anyone else? I know... discussing the talent of team aspects can be foreign to this forum.. so maybe dust it off.

WTF does it even matter if elite QBs can or can't overcome a terrible OL/WRs/etc? Has the argument ever been that Alex Smith should have gone to or won a SB in the past two seasons? Of course not.

LOL, go back to sleep. You must have missed the last 2 years of Chiefs football, at the very least.

.. and the last 4 years of Alex football.

... and in what world is this not a question worth exploring? LOL

I don't know when this all became about winning the Super Bowl, and I'm not going to argue with you about precisely ranked groups since you haven't really made that possible, but I can think of 3 QBs who won the SB with shitty OL and WR combos since the turn of the century:

Brady
Roethisberger
Dilfer


Other SB winning QBs had either shitty WR corps or OLs, but not both.

Eli
Rodgers
Wilson

That's 6 of the 10 SB winning QBs since the turn of the century, with Peyton, Brees, Flacco, and Johnson not getting the nod, and Colts fans might argue about that 2006 team.

Austin should have just shut down this thread with his last post.

Alex Smith can win a Super Bowl if he has top 5 caliber units at OL, WR, defense and in special teams (ONE MUFFED PUNT FROM A SUPER BOWL AFTER ALL).

The Chiefs have a defense that is capable of being top 5 and that's not even a certainty. That's it. I guaran-****ing-tee it won't be November till a certain cadre of posters here lambaste the offensive line as one of the worst groups in NFL history.

If that fact doesn't become the narrative, then it will be the apparently shocking revelation that Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce aren't dominant enough players to carry a receiving corps consisting of a 3rd round rookie, a Sun Belt UDFA and Jason Avant into being successful enough to win games consistently.

Or, you know, the defense will actually regress to the mean and not hold teams to an absurd average of 18 points or fewer per game and the narrative will quickly shift to "But you can't expect anyone to win when the defense gives up two TDs and a FG of points per game!" drivel.

Either way, the Chiefs will top out with a 10-6 regular season record at best with yet another first round playoff exit... and this will be surprising to an alarming number of posters here.

THANK YOU

I was never asking for what couldn't be possible here.

What would really help though... the THREE examples you give... what yr are you speaking of.. and any details you might care to add.. thanks.

Sure. I'd look at them like this:


Dilfer only got there once, with the defensive juggernaut Ravens (2000).

Roethlisberger's 2005 squad had Ward lead the WRs with 69 catches and Randle El second with 35.

Brady's 001 Patriots had Troy Brown with over 100 catches and David Patten with 51. Why were their numbers that high? The next highest WR/TE was a 3 way tie at 14 catches, and one of them was Terry Glenn, who was suspended by the team for the season, won an appeal, but only played 4 games before going back on the shelf due to injury. Brady was effectively using Troy Brown and David Patten as his entire WR/TE corps. As a side note, the Patriots were also a lousy 24th in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt that season, averaging just 3.8 yards per carry.

I might argue that Brady's WR in 2014 were also that kind of shitty, but LaFell played much better than he had in Carolina, and I can't be sure that was all the result of Brady, so I think the argument can at least be countered to some degree.

Gee I wonder if Alex is closer to Dilfer, Roethlisberger or Brady.

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Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were the SB champion equivalents of someone winning the World Series of Poker going all in with two pair. It gets the job done, but it also only works if every player holding a straight or better folds and the guys with one pair or high card hand aren't ****ing smart enough to fold as well.