and that

The one that gets us back to play KU on a neutral court as fast as possible. :D

I'd prefer Mizzou to play in the STL.

They won't see KU til the final four atleast, so I would take that.


If I were a MU fan I would probably want to be with Kentucky. If UNC plays like they did against Duke, I think they might be the best team in the country.

I think MU could spread Kentucky out and make them play fast.

Well that MSU loss at home can help MU.

That loss by MSU could be big for us next week. Take care of business in KC and we could snatch up a 1 seed.

If MU wins the Big 12 tourney they might have a chance, but other things are going to have to happen.


If UNC wins the ACC tourney, thats a 1 seed. Kentucky and CUse are pretty much locked in right now. It could come down to whoever wins the big 12 tourney is the last 1.

Mizzou needs Duke to not win the ACC tourney.

I don't think there is anyway Duke gets a 1 seed at this point. They've lost at home alot and have been down 20 at home a few times.

KU has been down 19 at home. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

KU was down 20 to a top 5 team. Duke has been down to a team thats not even being considered for the NCAA tourney.


I'm just not sold on Duke at all.

The media loooooooooooooves Duke. If they win the ACC tournament they will be a #1 seed. Mizzou needs them to lose that tournament and they have to win the Big XII tournament for a #1 seed.

Actually, Mizzou probably needs UNC to get knocked out early, too. It's pretty unlikely that Mizzou gets a #1 seed at this point. If we win the conference tournament, I think we deserve it over Kansas, but I'm not sure if we'll get it.

That said, if Mizzou ends the season with only 4 losses and doesn't get a #1, it's bullshit.

Not necessarily. I think UK, SU, and UNC have the #1 seeds locked up. The only one I think up for grabs is KU's. If Mizzou wins the Big XII tournament they should leapfrog KU. That is pending on whether Duke wins the ACC tournamentr not because of the media's love for them.

That might be more impressive your non-con didn't look like shit. Try scheduling somebody.

Beating Notre Dame by 38 points when they still had their best player is a pretty damned good win. We also destroyed Cal and beat Villanova by double digits. Cal sucks, but they were ranked 18 when we played them. It wasn't really a scheduling issue.

I think the Big 12 champ and the ACC champ of each tourney likely gets the other two 1 seeds.


It will depend on some other things tho. I think with a few wins this week UNC locks up a 1. I think KU has to win the Big 12.

I'll admit I didn't follow it closely only heard that it was ranked in 200's in RPI or something.

This was the talking about before the Big 12 season started when Missouri fans were exciting about having a strong team.

Now we are debating them being a #1 seed.

Good times.

Much better than 40 minute of mild discomfort.

MU's noncon doesn't look as good with some of the teams they played ended up not being great.


That said, they played well during the conference season so we can put that to bed. I do think their RPI could hurt them when it comes to the 1 seed talk, but if they win the BIG 12 and beat KU twice, tough to see them not getting the last 1.

That would be a nice experiment to find out if the big 12 tournament championship even matters to seeding. Hasn't that been an issue in the past?

It would be interesting if Mizzou and Kansas were top two seeds in the same region, especially if it was STL.

I don't think thats possible. Or atleast that's what i was told.

I wouldn't be all that surprised to see a Big 12 tourney winning Missouri on the 2 line. I can't imagine they are jumping an ACC tourney winning Duke/UNC or B1G tourney winning OSU for a 1 seed.

So give me the breakdown of the KU-MU game? I could only follow scores. Had a KU fan tell me today MU won the game and got ****ed on a few calls.

I don't think the BIG 12 tournament is that important for the top teams. It's more important for teams like Iowa St. and KSt as far as seeding. KU doesn't have to win it to stay a 1 seed, and I don't think MU will get a 1 seed even if they do win it, it can't hurt, but it won't decide who gets the 1 and who gets the 2.

I don't think a six loss Kansas gets it over a four loss Mizzou that beat them twice.

Notre Dame is a much better team now than they were when they played MU at the beginning of the year. Having that said I still think MU is better. Big East bball is overrated.

"****ed on a few calls" basically describes the outcome of both games for the loser. Or basically if you want to complain about calls in one you'd have to say both were not particularly well officiated.

That's a good way to describe it. Bad calls cost Mizzou a win in Lawrence, but bad calls cost KU the game in Columbia.

I'm interested to see another MU ISU matchup. I didn't really get to watch the last one.

I think KU and MU meet up again in the final. I don't really see either of them slipping up before then. If Baylor all of a sudden gets tough maybe or if KState plays well they could beat KU.

ISU will have to shoot it really well to beat MU. I don't know if they can defend enough.

LMAO Pete post.

Missouri 15-18 from the line
Kansas 22-33

KU is a solid 3rd #1 right now. losing the BIG 12 tourney, even to MU is not going to get them booted to #2. They'd have to go out in the first game for something like slipping to a 2 seed to be considered. Its not who has more loses, if that were the case MU would already be considered a 1 over KU.

I think KSU is a big wild card for the Big XII tourney. They are playing well, and both of their games against Baylor have been close. They might be able to upset KU in the second round if they can get past Baylor. I think Mizzou matches up well with either ISU or Texas...although Texas can be scary if Brown plays really well...you often see teams with one stud player do well in conference tourney...the stud player puts the team on his back and just carries them.

Texas player that broke his arm last night sure didn't help Texas any either

Disagree. I think that belongs to UNC. I think KU's #1 spot could be lost if they lose to Mizzou in the Big XII tourney.

I think the ISU MU matchup is gonna be a really good one if it happens. ISU is playing well as is MU.


I would like to see Ku get KState again as well.

I think right now UNC is the 4th 1.


I know they just destroyed Duke but they also lost to that team at home. They were blown away by FSU.


That said, I think UNC might be the second best team in the country talent wise. Hell you could argue that they have more talent than Kentucky.

But they just climbed back into that 1 line. I think they end up with the 4th 1 if all teams win out.

No, KU is the 3rd 1. You're placing too much importance on the tourney. It's more for the bubble teams and lower seeds.

Well I guess we will find out over the next week. If KU wins the tournament then it is irrelevant. If not we will see on Selection Sunday, especially if they lose to Mizzou.

One win in the Big 12 tourney and the #1 is all but locked for KU if it isn't already.

I don't know about that...they get a couple good wins and that name recognition kicks in.

I think KU, UNC, Mizzou, and Michigan State are real real close together. Coaches poll has KU #3, UNC #4, and Mizzou #5. Bracketology has Mizzou as #2 in the West now, with UNC as the #1. UNC is the last #1 seed, so that would make Mizzou the best #2 seed. The way it looks now, the winner of the ACC tourney will be a #1 (Duke only fell to #6, so if they beat Carolina in the rubber match, they will move back up into the top four), and the winner of the Big XII tourney will be a one...Mizzou and KU are ranked close enough together that if Mizzou was to beat KU again, they would jump up over them in the rankings.

Mizzou gets sent out West...

Of course we do. We always do.

Yeah, it sure seems that way. However, if Mizzou were to win the Big XII tourney, I do not see how they could be sent out West.

At least Mizzou's first two tournament games will be in Omaha no matter what.

I'd be totally OK with Mizzou being a #2 in the St. Louis region.

^^^^^
THIS!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...ksR_story.html

Haith B12 COY! :clap:

Interesting...the Big 12 coaches picked Self and Hoiberg...the AP picks Haith.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Haith won national COTY, but not even a tie for COTY among Big XII coaches.

As if the B12(0) coaches would choose a Missouri coach. HA! As if!!

Self Picked Haith as COY, and still won lolz.

Baylor - Hoiberg

Iowa St. - Self

KU - Haith

K-State - Self

Mizzou - Hoiberg

Oklahoma - Self

Oklahoma St. - Hoiberg

Texas - Hoiberg

Texas A&M - Haith

Texas Tech - Self

Haith complained about the officiating after the loss in Kansas so I thought he couldn't be COY

Yep. He violated the big12's "bend over and take it" rule.

Can't imagine his complaints. Kansas only went to the line 33 times and missed what, around 5 1-1 front ends? 38 points available from the line?

It's almost like home cooking exists in college basketball.

Almost ROFL

Keitzmann is opening up those Missouri wounds again.

Where is this from?

What's he saying today? Haven't listened to him for several days now.

Speculating by process of elimination.

Self says he doesn't care about the Big 12 coach of the year voting. Self says he voted for Missouri's Frank Haith to be conference coach of the year, because he thought he deserved it. Though Iowa State's Fred Hoiberg did a remarkable job as well. Having three different Big 12 coaches of the year this season is a tribute to the coaches in the league. There have been four teams in the league (KU, MU, Iowa State, Baylor) that far surpassed what their expectations were. You could make a case for a lot of different guys. That doesn't bother Self at all, and it's probably good for the league.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/new...s-conference-/

Talking about Alumni in the KC area, and how KU-KState both dwarf the number of MU alumns for purposes of continuing the B12 tourney at the Sprint Center. How Mcgruder deserved 1st team Big 12 honors over Denmon, etc....

Thanks. He likes to stir the pot doesn't he.

Mizzou voting for Hoiberg?

If that is true then that is taking butthurt to a new level.

bwahahaha

Initially, he was leading the charge to take the tournament out of Missouri. So...

He is trying to stir the pot via Selfs comments about KC being a KU-KState area. I find it funny like i do when Jack Harry does the same.

Why? I think Haith deserves COTY, but I think Hoiberg has done a great job at ISU, and they have far exceeded expectations. I don't see a vote for Hoiberg as a bad thing.

He didn't say that about McGruder. He said he didn't understand why some MU people on message boards were upset because Denmon didn't get unanimous 1st team. I haven't seen anyone here complain about that, how reeruned. He did however say that MU only bringing 47K to the KU game at arrowhead was a failure. KU had about 1,000 fans there. I guess we should have brought 78,000 fans and filled the entire stadium up, Lord knows its not ****ing KU's responsibility to bring fans to that game. What a dumb****.
Posted via Mobile Device

so your vote is:

1. Haith
2. Hoiberg
3. Self

Or does Self not make your top 3?

If you don't think he was digging even bringing up Denmon/Mcgruder you weren't paying attention. This is how Keitzman works.

Honestly...all three have done great jobs this year. I think you could put those coaches in any order and reasonably justify it.

MU and ISU exceeded all expectations. KU met high expectations.

I just am not making a connection between a vote for Hoiberg being an anti-Bill Self vote.

I, too, think all 3 make great cases too.

however, I'm pretty sure, if my memory serves me right -- KU was picked around 5th in the preseason big 12 polls.

So, there's the argument, that KU has exceeded expectations.

I know, right? I mean poor ol' Self only has 1 4-star recruit coming off the bench for him this season.

The narrative around this KU team has just become laughable. As though they're some squad full of plucky upstarts and scrubs; that only Bill Self could have seen and unlocked their potential. It's only the National player of the year surrounded by 4 and 5 star recruits that didn't play until this season. Your worst starter is probably Eli Johnson and he was only a 5-star and the #4 ranked PG in the country.

Your worst starter was literally a higher ranked player than anyone on Mizzou (save maybe Pressey) or anyone on Iowa State not named Royce White. And I'm supposed to fall all over myself to praise Bill Self for not letting them piss down their legs.

There are maybe 3 or 4 teams in all of CBB that have more raw talent on them than KU and I'm supposed to get all weepy for Bill Self because he doesn't have his usual roster that goes 7-deep with blue-chippers.

Cry me a ****ing river.

Maybe to the extremists out there, I see it as our guy got it and his guy didn't. How can that upset me? I guess its just a stupid way to try to get a rise out of people. Now much of the rest of this is a less veiled punch to the throat of MU fans, but that first point about denmon was just dumb.
Posted via Mobile Device

KU and A&M were tied atop the Big 12 preseason coaches poll.

The coaches picked them 1st...

Team (First-place Votes) Points
1. Kansas (5) 73
Texas A&M (2) 73
3. Baylor (2) 63
4. Missouri (1) 61
5. Texas 51
6. Kansas State 39
7. Oklahoma State 33
8. Iowa State 27
9. Oklahoma 15
Texas Tech 15

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=205314008

Based on that, ISU is clearly the one team that really exceeded expectations.

KK's ratings have been in the toilet for a while now. He's always been a bit of a shit stirrer, but he's had to take it to a new level in the past year.

I'll admit that I was jealous of Nebraska last year and liked listening to KK bag on them, so maybe it works. The difference is that you can alienate the Nebraska fanbase and not lose many listeners in KC. I don't think that's true of Mizzou.

Its not like there's anything else interesting about his show. Smoke and Fire commercials, the Racing Boys, and soon to be bitching about putting up screens at Kaufman Stadium for 2 hours a day now that baseball season is around the corner.

I listen to 810 until 2:00 and switch to 610 (if I'm listening to the radio).

I'm not arguing that but he really tries hard to get both sides backs up. He is still going on about how KU-Kstate fans greatly outnumber MU grads in the KC area counting 3 Missouri and 2 Kansas counties.

Btw it's working 2 po'd Missouri callers back to back with more on the hook.

The only person who picked KU fifth was Jack Harry, and well, he is hardly an expert.