You clearly have blinders on.

Comparing 2011 to 2012 is like comparing diarrhea to projectile vomit.

Who the **** cares. Sell your pro Haley agenda elsewhere.

Ok watch the Denver game in Denver, sadly it took a player tragedy for this team to play its best

Bingo.

And yet people didn't want to listen to reason last offseason. :facepalm:

Anyone who is pro Haley is delusional! Look he didn't get the fairest shake but he ruined the best thing in his career... Charlie Weis. He was a meddling douche bag of a head coach

You did leave out Rodgers:hmmm:

At least that was mutual, because I thought Haley quit on the team during that game, too.

No, it's that in your guys' criticism of Haley, you guys are actually defending Romeo.

You may not like that the team quit on Haley a few games during his time. I am asking you to compare the more than half of games in 2010 and 2011 where the Chiefs showed effort (toughness, effort, hitting people in the mouth, reducing mistakes). And then compare them to any of the shit Romeo ever put on the field.

I am not using 2011 as a way of saying this is what a perfect football team looks like. PGM is pitching the ridiculous idea that the effort in 2011 was the same as in 2012. Total and utter horse shit. And again, that is a lot more a criticism of Romeo than it is praise for Haley.

Both seasons as a whole sucked something fierce!

Here's how I'd describe the Romeo era and how bad of a coach he was.

Romeo's entire season resembled Haley's beginning of 2011 season abortion against Detroit and Buffalo. All but a few games. Haley's teams during those 2 games sucked because of poor conditioning. Romeo's sucked because of a culture of a complete lack of accountability or any hint of motivation.

The team suffered blowouts ALL throughout the 'Team-killer' Pioli regime. That is the common denominator. Check my sig. It was an embarrasing 4 years of football chocked full of horrendous QB play, bad leadership, and coaching...simple as that.

Haley, RAC, Pioli, The Patriot Way...

Unless the new regime gives us a reason to consult history to prove how poorly they're handling things, we should never utter the above words again. Three pieces of shit, headlined by the GM, and one farcical concept wasted four years of my fandom.

All of them cannot be mother****ed enough. Please, though, let's look forward.

I am merely challenging the ridiculous idea that people don't think Romeo's horrific coaching made this team even worse than our bad team in 2011, and that yes, coaching absolutely has a significant impact on the effort of the product on the field. Something Reid fixes and, unlike Haley's squads, Reid will get us to play with that effort 16 games a year.

Reid is a much better coach than Haley in many aspects. The effort part isn't one of them, except that he'll get it more consistently.

Thank god team killer is gone. No coincidence that he's fired and we get a big name coach

Flying Walrus. He will land on you.

The term "the team quit" is a fairly general term and it should be read that way. You can't pin it to an individual or a few.

When a team is not disciplined and mentally prepared it plays soft. This is strictly on coaching and it was my number one objection to promoting RAC to HC. This team managed to win a couple of games this season but it was even a "worse team" than that despite all the players you named. Those players may have not have "quit" in the last game per your definition. But IMO even their level of intensity either dropped or became inconsistent after the missed kick. That's what happens when the realization of hopelessness creeps into men's mind, specially in a collision sport.

So IMO this team did "quit" whether they knew it or not. You could clearly see the deflation of of intensity in most of the players. Less clearly, but still visible among our top players.

And the good part is this team is going to be coached in a more disciplined style, and yes I can't wait to watch the players you named play with hope again.