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What a pile of ****ing shit.

Safety First! :rolleyes:

It has nothing to do with you. That snippet you posted was very, very dumb.

"Look at this list of two cherry picked Hall of Famers and [Criticized Player] and CHAD PENNINGTON who were criticized for something (conveniently excluding all of the Joey Harringtons who were also knocked for a lack of arm strength), and then look at this list of two cherry picked busts and Drew Bledsoe who were praised for their arm strength! Wowee!"

You clearly have no understanding of the logistics involved.

I'm not saying that at this point he is the 4th best QB in the league, I'm just speaking to his QB rating his 1st season of starting speaking to his decision making ability against NFL competition.

Having TG makes everyone's job on offense easier. That counts for a lot.

Wow, he can punt too. Watch your back Colquitt.

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I was going to post a response to milkman but decided not to.... glad I didn't because your take is so much better. Nastier than mine, but more succinct.

The point is, he plays a position that is not all that vaulable.

How many SB winners have actually had great TEs?

I bet we get that 2nd pk back by us trading down from the 3rd overall pick.

The Chiefs would be smart to not sign Cassel to a long term deal.

Because of how the CBA is set up, if it expires next year, we hold Cassel's rights because he will have 5 years of service, rather than 6, which he would need to be a UFA, instead of 4 as it is no.

(Source: Michael Lombardi)

Did Chiefs rob Patriots with 34th pick?
February 28, 2009 3:06 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham


Cassel
The 34th overall selection in this year's draft sure sounds like a bargain for the Kansas City Chiefs. That's all they gave the New England Patriots to obtain quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel.

Sound a little cheap to you?

About seven weeks ago, I explored Cassel's trade value with a pair of analysts who've been around the NFL block a time or two.

Floyd Reese was one of them. The former Tennessee Titans general manager was working for ESPN at the time.

Now he's senior football adviser with the Patriots.

Here's what Reese said back then: "It would have to be multiple choices and very high choices to get Cassel. Two first-rounders, or a one and a two and a three ... It'll be something very, very expensive."

Cassel hadn't been franchised yet, but it was common knowledge the tag was coming. So the element of unloading $14.65 million in guaranteed money was considered in the responses.

I also spoke with Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

Lombardi has a strong relationship with many in Patriots management, including coach Bill Belichick, from their days together with the Cleveland Browns. Lombardi was the first to report the Patriots were going to place the franchise tag on Cassel.

Lombardi claimed Cassel's starting price -- not including Vrabel -- should be the draft choices the San Diego Chargers received for Eli Manning.

At the 2004 draft, the New York Giants acquired Manning's rights for Philip Rivers' rights along with a third-round pick that year and their first- and fifth-round picks in 2005.

"Whatever the Giants gave up for Eli has to be the market," Lombardi said. "It's got to be a first-rounder, and not the 22nd or 24th pick in the draft. It has to be a substantial one and one that keeps on giving."

Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel, Floyd Reese, Michael Lombardi, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Bill Belichick, 09 free agency, Cassel trade

Oh oh, he can punt, too. Watch out, Dustin!

Just like the Obama kool-aid, uh? How ironic!

It was a flippant off-the-top-of-my-head.....I'm-still-in-awe-Pioli-pulled-this-off....so excuse me if I'm engaging in a bit of hyperbole to illustrate my point. Lord knows, you never do that.

As for the logistics/plumbing issue involved in my earlier post....I was being facetious, and forgot you don't take facetious (on that issue, or from me)...so sue me.

:p

I would wait till after the draft to make a deal with him.