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petegz28 06-20-2009 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5852815)
With his injury history and 8 mil coming due next season, you can cross Crisp off the list. Dude won't play another game for KC. Sucks. He's kind of like the B. Croyle of MLB.

all the more reason to sign a Scutaro

Sure-Oz 06-20-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5852815)
With his injury history and 8 mil coming due next season, you can cross Crisp off the list. Dude won't play another game for KC. Sucks. He's kind of like the B. Croyle of MLB.

Agreed...and Crisp will def. try to avoid surgery cause he wants to get paid but he likely has no choice. He'll get his 500k buyout and not be a Royal unless he wants a HUGE discount. It's too bad, i was hoping he'd be pretty solid for us.

DeezNutz 06-21-2009 08:49 AM

Doing some browsing on Royals Corner, and there was some discussion about possibly trade Meche. With the injuries around the league, he would likely be the best available pitcher at the deadline. Plus he's under contract, at a reasonable rate, for the next 2 1/2 years. Thus, trading him should net a lot in return.

Meche has been great and is one of my favorite Royals, but I'm afraid that we have so many holes that he'll be gone before we're actually ready to contend.

I'd seriously listen to offers. But will the man dumb enough to throw big money at the likes of Farnsworth and Guillen have the savvy to pull off a productive trade?

Al Bundy 06-21-2009 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5853329)
Doing some browsing on Royals Corner, and there was some discussion about possibly trade Meche. With the injuries around the league, he would likely be the best available pitcher at the deadline. Plus he's under contract, at a reasonable rate, for the next 2 1/2 years. Thus, trading him should net a lot in return.

Meche has been great and is one of my favorite Royals, but I'm afraid that we have so many holes that he'll be gone before we're actually ready to contend.

I'd seriously listen to offers. But will the man dumb enough to throw big money at the likes of Farnsworth and Guillen have the savvy to pull off a productive trade?

If you are going to trade Meche they need to take Guillen in the trade as well.

DeezNutz 06-21-2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 5853340)
If you are going to trade Meche they need to take Guillen in the trade as well.

That would be icing.

If you could get back 3-4 legit prospect, I'm talking some of the best young talent in a team's farm system, that's a deal that stands on its own.

Oh, as an aside, Moosetacos is hitting around .260 in A ball.

Al Bundy 06-21-2009 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5853344)
That would be icing.

If you could get back 3-4 legit prospect, I'm talking some of the best young talent in a team's farm system, that's a deal that stands on its own.

Oh, as an aside, Moosetacos is hitting around .260 in A ball.

That isn't good at all.

MIAdragon 06-21-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5853344)
That would be icing.

If you could get back 3-4 legit prospect, I'm talking some of the best young talent in a team's farm system, that's a deal that stands on its own.

Oh, as an aside, Moosetacos is hitting around .260 in A ball.

You really think he would bring anywhere near that?

Sure-Oz 06-21-2009 10:28 AM

I think we should be a bit patient on moose and hope he breaks out a bit. isn't he playing 3b or of now?

I would def. listen for offers for meche as well, he has a great contract and his a high game pitcher, probably a #2 on a good team and would bring in alot.

petegz28 06-21-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5853438)
I think we should be a bit patient on moose and hope he breaks out a bit. isn't he playing 3b or of now?

I would def. listen for offers for meche as well, he has a great contract and his a high game pitcher, probably a #2 on a good team and would bring in alot.

Once again though we are back to having to trade our players we would otherwise keep ....we trade Meche..then we have a hole in our rotation...it just seems like we are always robbing Peter to pay Paul

Sure-Oz 06-21-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5853440)
Once again though we are back to having to trade our players we would otherwise keep ....we trade Meche..then we have a hole in our rotation...it just seems like we are always robbing Peter to pay Paul

That said, i bet they don't trade him unless they are blown away by an offer. I think meche will be here the remainder of his contract unless that happens. We really need our minor leaguers to get ready and just deal with what we have right now unfortunately.

DeezNutz 06-21-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5853420)
You really think he would bring anywhere near that?

I think it would compare to the Bedard deal. For a team trying to make a push, Meche would be a heck of a get.

WilliamTheIrish 06-21-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5852812)
We have minimal building blocks but the ones we have are good...

Meche
Greinke
Soria
Bannister (?)
Butler
DeJesus
Crisp (if he didn't injur himself out of a career)

You can build a solid team with those guys but you have to get some power and some defense to go along with it. I have no problems with Butler in the #3 spot if he continues to develop. Otherwise he is a #5. DeJesus and Crisp can be a good 1-2, I have no problems with that.

Bring someone like Scutaro to play SS, get yourself a smasher for DH and RF, get a decent ****ing catcher and we are onto something.

Expectations were raised (and there's really nothing wrong with that), when we went out 18-11. But most of us saw the warts the team has. I know you saw them too, Pete. IMO, the complete destruction of Aviles' and DDJ's bats are the crown jewels to what has ailed us. Losing that production has killed us, in combination with the below average D from each.

I agree that Butler may have a place in the 5 hole. I think Jake is serviceable as LH DH and after that it's 52 card pick up. I think we have to hope that our draft picks pan out as MLB players.
I didn't think that DM had bungled the money aspect too badly until we spun into June like Henry Blake's helicopter into the Sea Of Japan.
In the end this is just a long winded way of saying "This f'ing team kills me".

DeezNutz 06-21-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5853440)
Once again though we are back to having to trade our players we would otherwise keep ....we trade Meche..then we have a hole in our rotation...it just seems like we are always robbing Peter to pay Paul

That's the price we pay, unfortunately, for Glass not caring about winning for years. As we continue to stock our farm system, this will be less the case.

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5853438)
I think we should be a bit patient on moose and hope he breaks out a bit. isn't he playing 3b or of now?

I would def. listen for offers for meche as well, he has a great contract and his a high game pitcher, probably a #2 on a good team and would bring in alot.

Yeah, but just as a "for instance": I would be tempted to trade Moosetacos and another lower-level prospect for a Matt Holliday, assuming he could be locked up long term. A proven impact bat that could be with the organization for 5 years or so would be hard to pass on.

The proverbial bird in the hand being worth more than 2 in the bush...

DeezNutz 06-21-2009 10:59 AM

Will, what are your thoughts on the possibility of moving Meche?

WilliamTheIrish 06-21-2009 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5853420)
You really think he would bring anywhere near that?

I don't know if he would, but teams looking to make the run will often give up more at the deadline for solid arms in an attempt to make a great October/November run.

And if Guillen is part of the deal it's addition by subtraction.


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