WTF are you talking about?

He keeps his feet moving to keep them squared under his shoulders and pointed downfield.

Jesus Christ...I swear to the little baby Jesus that people should watch shit before they post.

I think im finally starting to leave my neutral qb position and lean towards geno smith, regardless of his poor second half of the season.

Example?...

Footwork is becoming less and less important, IMO.

Watch a lot of the great QBs in today's game. They have to make a lot of tough throws off balance.

If you can't do it (read: Casshole) you are at a disadvantage in today's game.

Actually, footwork becomes even more important with more, quicker pressure.

Getting setup prperly and on time makes it easier to get the ball out quicker, and to see and react to the pressure more quickly.

That may be, but when Geno Smith says that he learned the entire offense in 3 days, that makes it look like a shitty system.

And that's not Geno's fault at all. It's his shitty coaches fault.

Comparing the an NFL offense to WVU's is like comparing the MCAT to a pop quiz. It's gonna take a bit for Geno to catch onto the game. The speed of the game won't be a big problem for him IMO. The X's and O' are what is going to take him some time to figure out.

But I think Geno will have that down in due time, just not at first.

Any West Virginia game over the past three years.

Seriously? Lazy feet? Not a chance.

You want to see the difference between happy feet and active feet?

Mark Sanchez versus Geno Smith.

Sanchez has horrible foot work.

Smith is moving his feet in order to keep them shoulder width and to have a quick plant when he throws. With his exceptionally quick release and arm strength, Smith doesn't need to hunker down and plant like Barkley does in order to get the ball downfield. He's moving them to keep mobility in the pocket and keep them square. Two totally different things.

The air raid isn't the only offense he mastered quickly.

The kids football IQ is off the charts.

Maybe he's just that ****ing good.

I think I'm back on the Geno bandwagon. Despite the 5 losses in a row. He looks like he has the best potential. His quick release, footwork and leadership qualities really turn me on.

LMAO

Even Geno himself said the system was simple.

I really like Geno Smith but I fear so much that the Jaguars are going to take him before we have the chance.

Jordan probably told people it was easy to dunk from the freethrow line, too.

1) look how they played against Houston once Henne took over at QB

2) look at their upcoming schedule

3) profit

Nothing about Dana Holgorsen leads me to believe his offense is complicated in any way. At all.

How about before Dana got there and he had mastery of a pro style offense?

Here's just one highlight video from his sophomore season..

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Dude, he didn't have "mastery". He ran it reasonably well.

Exaggeration planet.

WTF?

Completing 65% of his passes while throwing 24tds to only 7 ints and having a 144 rating isn't showing his mastery of the system?

FFS that was his first year starting and was only 19 years old.

It shows he can run a pro offense. I don't doubt he has football iq. But if he mastered the system in his first year, he would be considered an elite prospect. Don't make this into more than it is. Hes shown he can run an nfl offense. He hasn't shown nearly enough that he can do it as masterfully as you need to on the pro level. Hence, the risk factor.

So do you want this guy to Peyton Manning year 7 right out of the gate?

No one will be. No one should be expected him to be.

I believe he will struggle early. I also have confidence his work ethic will enable him to grow as a qb.

It's everyone else here who seem to paint him as this nfl ready prospect who can compete for rookie of the year from the get go. I'm actually the one being realistic here.

I think the same haters who hated RGIII are hating on Geno Smith and for the same reasons, except people thought RGIII was run-first.

Don't tell me he can't run a pro offense. I have seen his ability to diagnose a play at the line of scrimmage. The dude has a high football IQ. He needs to improve at diagnosing as the play develops a little, but Geno has all the tools that aren't coachable and has high coachability.

Sorry dude. This thread has been here awhile. You know how much I love Geno. I see a lot of good qualities in his arm. The same kind of brilliant pocket awareness that 0dd T0dd had

So what is Geno Smith? A poor man's RG3? A rich man's Russell Wilson?

The problem with this board is being critical to a popular guy is called hating.

Nobody is hating on geno.

And no... RgIII was a far better prospect. Genos a good one. But rgIII was maybe the best qb prospect we've seen outside of luck in almost 10 years. And most people knew that.

Lets stop the comparisons to rgIII. They are different prospects.

We're not saying that. We're saying he's going to be a really good QB in the NFL.

Quit acting like you're above the fray just because you're willing to shit on Geno for little tiny things.

Geno will be a rookie QB. Luck is a rookie QB and has looked like absolute feces at times. Do people think he's going to be a terrible QB? Hell no. He looks that way because he's a ****ing rookie QB.

Don't paint us all as this dumbass mob. It's disingenuous and ****ing false.

We've discussed this before. Im cool with you. You told me you are more optimistic about the guy but you understand my concerns. Even if you're his biggest fan.

But when somebody is going to basically call me an idiot because I acknowledge the risk, I'm going to defend myself.

The only thing I took offense on was saying that he has "major bust potential".

The reasons given for the claim were as silly as Pioli trying to sell the fanbase on Cassel as a franchise qb.

He does have major bust potential. But he also have a very high ceiling, something I don't see in Barkley. Something I never saw in cam and still don't because I still don't believe he is a leader.

I think he's boom bust. Barkley is sure fire "good enough." I'll take boom / bust any day of the week.

imo Geno Smith is the very definition of Boom or Bust.

HUGE upside ... elite arm ... elite downfield accuracy



or he could be Byron Leftwich


To be fair though, the position has such a high demand on intangibles that just about any QB prospect can bust. It's difficult to judge until they hit the NFL field.

It keeps getting worse.

Look guys, I wouldbe ok with saying he has significant bust potential IF LEGIT REASONS WERE GIVEN FOR SUCH.

The ONLY comparison Geno has to Leftwich is color.

Byron Leftwich takes 5 seconds to windup.

Geno has a snap delivery.

Leftwich was a player just had absolutely NO mobility and took a beating that ruined him
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That's true too.
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Clay paid attention Monday night
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seriously, byron sandwich? byron leftwich is a statue. byron leftwich has a HUGE arm. byron leftwich has a very slow delivery. byron leftwich did it against shitty competition.

are you saying byron sandwich because they're both black? why not david klingler? that's a more apt comparison if you're gonna go with a QB bust.

This is such a crock of shit. RGIII was not even a first round prospect to most people here until steam picked up towards the end of the season. Further, I KNOW they are different prospects because I probably watched both of them a billion times more than the boobs that come in here spouting ignorant non-sense about them being spread monkeys. But don't pretend people weren't saying the exact same shit last year about RGIII -
1) He doesn't run a pro system, therefore can't learn one
2) He doesn't go through progressions
3) He doesn't make NFL throws

All of it complete bullshit. Same complaints here by the same ignorant people who clearly don't know what they are looking at.

Geno playing tomorrow at Iowa St at 2:30 on ABC!

you guys are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to hung up on the name leftwich

the name doesn't matter

what matters is whether Smith learns to deal/adapt to pressure and the speed of the NFL.

but hey, i understand ... Chiefs fans are so desperate for a QB that they don't want to hear anything to the contrary.

Leftwich and Smith aren't comparable in terms of talent though.

Not even.

Leftwich has like the slowest release in NFL history and stone feet + mediocre accuracy and fat face.

Geno is the exact opposite.

you're a racist sum'bitch, silent bob.

You guys are blowing the Smith/Jamarcus Russell comparisons WAAAAAAAAY out of proportion.

The name doesn't matter.

So just let me continue comparing two players who have ****ing nothing in common at all, k? I'd appreciate it if I could spout a bunch of bullshit and not get called out on it.

Smith at his best reminds me of a matt stafford and at his worst hangs onto the ball and stubmbles around like jason cambell.

Barkley at his best reminds me of marino and and at his lowest points looks like a rex grossman going deep. If I'm the chiefs either quarterback is a mandatory first pick if available. Personally I've seen enough jason cambell over the years to be petrified of choosing smith.

could you be anymore of a crying bitch?

anytime someone ever questions a single thing about Smith you start wailing away like you need a bottle.

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how dare you compare him to jason campbell


racist

Bullshit. I'm cool with people who criticize Smith when it's something legit.

I'm NOT cool with reeruns like you who say, "Could be Byron Leftwich" and then say nothing.

Once again, "He looks like Jason Campbell" is stupid until the guy can tell me what he does that's Jason Campbell-like.

It's not racism, I don't think. But it IS stupidity.

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My QB Rankings 1. Geno Smith 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Tyler Bray 4. Mike Glennon 5. Matt Barkley

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#Chiefs fans wanting to watch future QBs. Tyler Wilson takes on LSU at 1:30pm on CBS. Geno Smith takes on ISU at 2:30pm on ABC both CT FRI

I am excited to see what next year brings. Firings, Hirings, Franchise QBs roster turnover. out of all the negitives this year, but this soap opera will bring you right back next year

If that's your standard then Andrew Luck was a risk. A big risk.

**** dude.

The guy was 19 years old and was kicking the shit out of it as a sophomore. Smith was a Parade All-American as a prep, is a three year starter in two different systems and has put up exceptional numbers every year.

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick because nobody thought he could do it on the next level.

Half the league scouting directors and GM's thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect than Peyton Manning.

What the **** are you wanting? You want to wait around for the next John Elway/Andrew Luck?

(And I think Smith has a lot of those qualities that those particular two individuals possessed. He's got as many tools for the position at his level as I've seen in the past two decades. I'm ready to take the chance on a guy and Smith is as good as a chance as I've seen that the Chiefs have had in a long, long time.)

Geno Smith has kicked ass every chance he's had and has improved his individual game every single year.

I'll take Smith, right here, right now. If he doesn't work out, so be it, but he's got the tools to be a stud. You never know how it plays out at the next level, but he's a guy you take that chance with.

Reps in the pass game, the accuracy, the release, the pocket presence, the prototype size, the arm, the leadership, the work ethic, the smarts.

No disrespect, but if you don't like Geno Smith as a prospect, especially as a Chiefs fan, whose QB situation sits between dire and destitute, then you are a ****ing moron.

So, who is operating Saccopoo's account this year and should they be investigated for kidnapping?

If you sit around waiting on the next surefire stud QB, you miss out on the next:

Jim Kelly: Pick 14
Dan Marino: Pick 27
Ben Roethlisberger: Pick 11
Aaron Rodgers: Pick 24

Its a real shame I can only REP this post once.

Who the **** are you?

Barkley = Marino and Smith = Cambell?

****ing idiot.

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The guy who sees Geno Smith as a ****ing stud...

a guy who also sees the Chiefs with the chance to finally draft a ****ing stud at QB.

Perfect storm.

No Mark "Happy Feet" Sanchez. No Jimmy "Small Hands" Clausen.

They control their own destiny at this point and have a legitimate chance to draft a guy who has as much tools for the QB position as I've seen outside of John Elway and Andrew Luck and he's really close to both IMO.

Geno Smith can play the QB position.

Geno Smith is a ****ing QB stud. He's a gamer. He can put balls in receivers hands like nobody.

****. If we weren't coming off the Andrew Luck shit, this guy would be getting kudos and accolades all day long. Seriously, go watch those three passes in the OP. You go name me a QB who can hit that shit in every single game at any level. Do it. That's elite level skill set. The ****ing guy can play ball.

Draft this guy. Let's win some playoff games. Let's give this team a chance.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

Sac found the guy he wanted. He had his (founded and legit) reasons for not wanting Sanchez or Clausen.

(Oh, and I imagine the tackles in this draft aren't exactly all-world. Who's even #1? Fluker from Alabama? I honestly have no idea)

Kid from Texas A&M is a legit prospect. Probably not wortha top 10 pick IMO, but I havent watched him very much. Could be a solid LT though.

Barrett Jones is a stud.

All American Freshman and All Conference at Guard as a sophomore. Moves to Left Tackle and earns first team All-America spot and wins the Outland Trophy as a junior. (Outland Trophy is given to the best lineman, regardless of position.) Then he goes to the Center position this year (why, after winning the Outland at left tackle, but whatever) and is killing guys from the pivot.

Has a degree in accounting (graduated with a 4.0 gpa) and is now working on his masters in the same.

That is ultimate versatility and talent and intelligence.

However, Geno Smith is the ultimate goal.

I'm really wondering if we need to start working Geno into our SOC message. One one hand it seems like we'd be over reaching but I have a horrible feeling they're gonna sign trade for Alex Smith, Mark Sanchez, Michael Vick or some other failed starter and say "We fixed the QB" and draft Mingo, Teo, or someone like that.

I get it that it's hard for some Chiefs fans to believe that, but IMO it is almost a certainty that the Chiefs will draft a QB, especially if they have the #1 overall pick.

This team has drafted Dorsey, Jackson and Berry in the top 5 recently. Look at where those guys have lead us. Sure Berry might become a hall of famer but there's no way the Chiefs pass on a QB early to draft a defensive player.

I swear I'd much much rather get Geno Smith tomorrow on this team, and I'm perfectly conscious of the risk, rather than to get Von Miller or JJ Watt.

:clap:

But, but, but TOOOOOOOOOOOO RISKYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! Might start a season 1-9 and not have a lead for 2 months

:thumb:

Smith's a poor man's Dante Culpepper and the next Akili Smith. Kind of a hybrid Dante, McNabb, Akili, Campbell, Doug Williams, Vince Evans combo. Amirite semenmonster???

Jfc. I've said a million times I would draft geno at #1 in a heartbeat. Somehow people get shit around here if you say one thing negative about a guy you like overall. I think he's worth the risk but I'm not going to be unrealistic about the fact that he is a risk.

I'm sorry... But it's idiotic for anyone to throw luck and rgIII into the discussion. Please stop. Those guys were blue chip prospects. Geno is a nice prospect but he isn't anywhere their level. That shouldn't stop the chiefs from drafting them. But let's stop with any bs that any team would in a million years consider drafting geno above either of those two guys.

Geno Geno Geno Geno Geno

Pgm... As much shit as I get for saying he's too risky (which isn't even true. I've said he's worth the risk) I have consistently shown that I am very patient to wait for a player to develop under the system while the majority of people on cp throw a guy under the bus if he's not nails right away.

It's because people set these ridiculous expectations. I want the chiefs to draft geno. I expect him to struggle a lot early. Not Andrew luck "I'm going to struggle every now and then." I think it might take 2 or 3 years to grow into the role. Because he isn't as nfl ready as so many people here want to pretend he is. I knew luck and rgIII would produce right away.

Cp is a funny place. They will call dontari Poe a bust because he hasn't been all world in a year we knew he would struggle, yet they will treat mark Sanchez and Ryan tannehill like the next coming of the messiah for very, very average qb play to prove a point that we passed on them.

I wasn't singling you out otherwise I would have quoted you. Their have been many a poster here using the too risky bullshit and was targeting the dumbfoolery.

I agree 100 percent with the last part as Tannehill's balls have been swung on like Tarzan.

There's nothing strange about the dislike for Poe on this forum since many view him as a sub-par talent from the jump. Thus, waiting on him to develop is an exercise in futility because he'll never suddenly become more talented.

About Dontari Poe, some Chiefs fans don't like him because he didn't produce in college but while he was supposed to be really raw in his early NFL career and he is to some extent, he has arguably produced just as much as the likes of Raji and Ngata in their rookie season.

This. There's a difference between saying he is a bust versus he was a bad pick.

You can't call him a bust until he starts to peak in development. I didn't see any way he'd be good this year even in the rosiest of scenarios.

In the Spiritual Realm of the Quarterback Position, Geno is the Truth, The Light, and The Way.

I don't think you can read, either that our you just make shit up.


I have never seen anyone here say anything remotely close to saying Geno would ever be above RG3 or luck
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Interested to see what Geno Smith shows today. It is very cold and unbelievably windy in Iowa today. Will be interesting to see how he handles this type of Midwest weather.

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There are people trying to downplay how much Genos non-rgIII athleticism changes how attractive the prospect is. And there are plenty of people suggesting geno is the same as a pure pocket passer prospect as rgIII. Don't agree with that either. RgIII is constantly brought up in conversations. All the time. Luck not as much, but saccopoo brought him up to say he has downside risk as a pocket passer.

Nobody said geno would be better. But there are lots of people implying that rgIIIs success shows that geno will succeed. Bs. They are different players and geno will need to succeed in a totally different way. We need to stop bringing rgIII into conversations. If they were in the same draft class, rgIII would have been blue chip and geno would be a distant second.

Not me. I'm seeing "Black Elway". Kind of like Issac Hayes was Black Moses, yes.

Only dumb**** TV analysts compare him to RGIII. I agree that they're COMPLETELY different players.