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Nightfyre 07-12-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808252)
2) And Oscar Taveras is more valuable than any two players in the entire Royals organization.

Absolutely false.

sedated 07-12-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9808363)
We certainly aren't the favorites but I can't believe people are just willing to give up at 43-47. Especially with a starting staff that can deliver. You don't even have to get crazy hot, you're one 17-10 type stretch from contending.

That depends on what they do with the bottom 2 starters. They are sticking with Wade Davies all year, even with his 6 ERA. A second starter who gives up games in the first 5 innings means we have to win all of the top 3's starts. And we dont have the offense to do that.

Perfect recipe for a .500 team.

Mizzou_8541 07-12-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9807708)
HOMERS KILL RALLEYS!!!

I missed this original quote. Can someone explain who said this and the context? I assume is was Maloof or the other former hitting coach explaining why we don't hit home runs?

tk13 07-12-2013 10:23 PM

Detroit only won 88 games last year, and Verlander isn't close to the same pitcher, their bullpen has holes, their defense isn't great, and their only elite elite offensive player is basically Cabrera. There's nothing saying Hosmer and Butler and Gordon couldn't have big second halves either. Detroit's certainly the favorite though, no doubt. I hate the idea of giving up, just hate it. I think it's soft. It would fit our culture of losing though.

tk13 07-12-2013 10:26 PM

Speaking of offense, Ibanez has two more homers tonight. Amazing. 24 HR.

Brianfo 07-12-2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9808367)
Absolutely false.

He's a ****ing idiot. Don't call him out on it.

siberian khatru 07-12-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9808380)
Detroit only won 88 games last year, and Verlander isn't close to the same pitcher, their bullpen has holes, their defense isn't great, and their only elite elite offensive player is basically Cabrera. There's nothing saying Hosmer and Butler and Gordon couldn't have big second halves either. Detroit's certainly the favorite though, no doubt. I hate the idea of giving up, just hate it. I think it's soft. It would fit our culture of losing though.

As Sam Mellinger says, Royals fans come by their skepticism and cynicism honestly.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9808367)
Absolutely false.

It's absolutely true.

Your two most valuable players are Shields and Gordon, and there is no way that I'd trade Taveras for them, because I'm taking on 18 million in salary and Taveras has six years of cost control left.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 9808360)
That's all you got. Seriously. Bring some smack or go to bed.

Shouldn't you be off fashioning a hangman's noose or mixing up a vat of bleach and ammonia in an unventilated room?

tk13 07-12-2013 10:37 PM

Well I don't disagree with that. But still, three days ago this team was one game under .500 and had the best record in baseball over the last month, or whatever that stat was.

Definitely think we need to pull something out of the fire here this weekend though. Going into the break 6 games under .500 would be bad.

Deberg_1990 07-12-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9808395)
As Sam Mellinger says, Royals fans come by their skepticism and cynicism honestly.

This. No reason to trust this franchise at all.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9808380)
Detroit only won 88 games last year, and Verlander isn't close to the same pitcher, their bullpen has holes, their defense isn't great, and their only elite elite offensive player is basically Cabrera. There's nothing saying Hosmer and Butler and Gordon couldn't have big second halves either. Detroit's certainly the favorite though, no doubt. I hate the idea of giving up, just hate it. I think it's soft. It would fit our culture of losing though.

Detroit is an elite offensive team with terrible, terrible defense and a horrific bullpen. People look at their counting stats and think they're some kind of juggernaut. They're not

Nightfyre 07-12-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808397)
It's absolutely true.

Your two most valuable players are Shields and Gordon, and there is no way that I'd trade Taveras for them, because I'm taking on 18 million in salary and Taveras has six years of cost control left.

LMAO Maybe you forgot just how "valuable" prospects are. Wil Myers wasn't enough to fetch James Shields. And Wil Myers was a higher rated prospect than Tavares. Furthermore, Salvador Perez is worth more than your entire farm system. And we have more years of cost control with him.

DeezNutz 07-12-2013 11:13 PM

I think that Detroit lacks an elite closer, and they're this piece away from running away and hiding from the division.

The Tigers are 2nd in MLB in runs scored, and 12th in runs allowed (only 20 more runs than the Royals).

KC doesn't score enough runs, in my view, to be taken seriously. And I believe we're going to see a staff (with Guthrie relying upon magic and a shit back end of the rotation) start to normalize. This is reality to me, not being soft.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-12-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9808426)
LMAO Maybe you forgot just how "valuable" prospects are. Wil Myers wasn't enough to fetch James Shields. And Wil Myers was a higher rated prospect than Tavares. Furthermore, Salvador Perez is worth more than your entire farm system. And we have more years of cost control with him.

That's the dumbest ****ing post in a thread of dumb ****ing posts.

Salvador Perez and his 3.8 WAR projection aren't worth Taveras alone.


Your terrible GM is not a barometer of good trades. The same guy who traded away two years of Greinke's service to Doug Melvin for Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain when Melvin got Jean Segura for two months of Greinke probably shouldn't be judging Wil Myers' value.

Your dumbass would kill for Taveras, Wacha, Kolten Wong, and Carlos Martinez. That's not to mention the wave of rookies that have just come up from that farm system: Rosenthal, Siegrist, Matt Adams, and Shelby Miller.

Christ, Shelby Miller has been better than any Royals player this year.


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