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tk13 07-13-2013 12:00 PM
Lumping Moose in with guys like Cain and Kila isn't really accurate. Moose is on another level as a prospect... and he would be regardless of the team he belonged to. Plus, he hit 20 HRs last year at 23 years old. Way too early to throw the bust label on him yet.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-13-2013 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9808892)
Rick Ankiel will win 20+games annually!
That one stung. Fortunately, the Cardinals are able to replace their Section 8 pitchers.

DeezNutz 07-13-2013 12:01 PM
Hosmer and Myers will be the real case studies in terms of player development. Moore's biggest problem, it seems, is that he doesn't seem to scout particularly well at the college ranks (Colon, Hochevar, Crow, etc.).

This deficiency was masked by the fact that he had a metric shit ton of high picks, artificially inflating the rankings of the system.

Hosmer and Myers, however, were considered elite prospects by pretty much everyone. Should they fail, player development will have to be the bane.

Ceej 07-13-2013 12:02 PM
I've resigned to the fact that the Chiefs/Royals are going to be mediocre the next 50+ years of my life.

I don't need fans of rival teams to come in here to continue to bash my brains in. It hurts enough as it is!

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-13-2013 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9808908)
Lumping Moose in with guys like Cain and Kila isn't really accurate. Moose is on another level as a prospect... and he would be regardless of the team he belonged to. Plus, he hit 20 HRs last year at 23 years old. Way too early to throw the bust label on him yet.
That's fair, but would it be reasonable to call him a disappointment relative to his hype?

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-13-2013 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9808913)
I've resigned to the fact that the Chiefs/Royals are going to be mediocre the next 50+ years of my life.

I don't need fans of rival teams to come in here to continue to bash my brains in. It hurts enough as it is!
That's not why I was in this thread. TBH, I respect a lot of Royals fans like duncan_idaho, DeezNutz, lewdog and many others who know what they're looking at and can view the game analytically.

The reason why I jumped into this fray is because some disphit claimed that the Cardinals should trade for Greg Holland and Ervin Santana, giving up Taveras in the process. Then another dipshit claimed Salvador Perez was worth more than the Cardinals' entire farm system.

That kind of wanton idiocy cannot be tolerated. Were I Stalin, those ****ers would have been immediately collectivized into biomass for the compost heap.

tk13 07-13-2013 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808914)
That's fair, but would it be reasonable to call him a disappointment relative to his hype?
No doubt about that. Especially in year 3. But there's a huge list of guys who don't really break out until 26/27 years old. You can still see he has power... it's not like he's Sean Burroughs or something.

lewdog 07-13-2013 12:07 PM
Hey Hamas, let us enjoy our misery in peace. STFU!

Three7s 07-13-2013 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808914)
That's fair, but would it be reasonable to call him a disappointment relative to his hype?
Yes, unless he can start figuring out how to be quicker to the ball and use the whole field.

Ceej 07-13-2013 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808916)
That's not why I was in this thread. TBH, I respect a lot of Royals fans like duncan_idaho, DeezNutz, lewdog and many others who know what they're looking at and can view the game analytically.

The reason why I jumped into this fray is because some disphit claimed that the Cardinals should trade for Greg Holland and Ervin Santana, giving up Taveras in the process. Then another dipshit claimed Salvador Perez was worth more than the Cardinals' entire farm system.

That kind of wanton idiocy cannot be tolerated. Were I Stalin, those ****ers would have been immediately collectivized into biomass for the compost heap.
I know you're a good dude. And I don't dislike many if any of you Cardinals fans - just Cards fans who are also Mizzou fans.

If one of the dipshits you're referring to has the initials "PB" you should probably ignore him forever. He's wrong more often than not. So, I would no longer expend any effort conversing with him.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-13-2013 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9808920)
No doubt about that. Especially in year 3. But there's a huge list of guys who don't really break out until 26/27 years old. You can still see he has power... it's not like he's Sean Burroughs or something.
He has power, but I wonder if it's more than 25 HR power. I'd be far more concerned by his batting approach. Dude hits a lot of groundballs, doesn't hit an overwhelming number of his flyballs out, and his LD% is pretty average.

Deberg_1990 07-13-2013 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808910)
That one stung. Fortunately, the Cardinals are able to replace their Section 8 pitchers.
Heh, yea no doubt. Honestly, there is no reason the Royals can't be more like the Cards. The difference is ownership and management. The small market excuse doesn't fly anymore.

The Royals are just a dysfunctional organization top to bottom.

cumshotguru 07-13-2013 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808916)
That's not why I was in this thread. TBH, I respect a lot of Royals fans like duncan_idaho, DeezNutz, lewdog and many others who know what they're looking at and can view the game analytically.

The reason why I jumped into this fray is because some disphit claimed that the Cardinals should trade for Greg Holland and Ervin Santana, giving up Taveras in the process. Then another dipshit claimed Salvador Perez was worth more than the Cardinals' entire farm system.

That kind of wanton idiocy cannot be tolerated. Were I Stalin, those ****ers would have been immediately collectivized into biomass for the compost heap.
Whew good thing you're not Stalin.

Prison Bitch 07-13-2013 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9808897)
Now is the point where I inject some nuance, so prepare for your pea brain to explode.

Carlos Beltran hit .275 in 2006. He also got on-base at a .388 clip and hit 41 homers.

Anyone would take that over .300 and 25.

Taveras' batting stroke projects to a .280-.310 hitter and he has easy 25 HR power. He's also a fairly disciplined hitter with good command of the strike zone. I'd damn sure take a guy hitting .270 in a year with bad BABIP luck over a guy hitting .290 and walking three percent of the time (like one of your personal saviors) if player A is walking three times and often.

I'll put it this way: Taveras projects as an .850+ OPS corner outfielder with plus defense, or the ability to play center.

And given the Cardinals' recent history of developing their players, I'll trust that projection, although I understand why Royals fans would be jaundiced, as you've pimped the likes of Kila Kai'huae, Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain, Alcides Escobar, and countless others as difference makers, not AAAA players.

Ok, sure, he will waltz in and do 850 OPS every year. Just like Oriole fans said Dylan Bundy would win 15 every year, on and on.


Sorry but I don't ever "pimp" anyone. If you read the KU tread I'm even cautious about Andrew freakin Wiggins. Players have to accomplish something before I worship them, but sadly you're different. That's why you are a homer.

DeezNutz 07-13-2013 12:17 PM
Moose hits a ****ing ton of pop-ups that stay on the infield. His IF/FB percentages have been 27%, 22%, and 21% in his three years; the ML average is 13%.


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