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kysirsoze 08-03-2011 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 7797308)
and if this happens Cassel will go bye-bye

Doubt it. MAYBE if Stanzi develops very quickly, but even then I would be shocked.

KurtCobain 08-03-2011 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 7797323)
:bong:. It's puff puff pass, don't hide it, divide it my bud

j/k but HOW do you see this happening?

I figure I see it happening by us winning alot of games.

kysirsoze 08-03-2011 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KurtCobain (Post 7797349)
I figure I see it happening by us winning alot of games.

:hmmm:

Tribal Warfare 08-03-2011 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 7797338)
Doubt it. MAYBE if Stanzi develops very quickly, but even then I would be shocked.


if they are in the Matt Barkley hunt the may pull the trigger. Which would be hilarious being dethroned by another SC guy.

the Talking Can 08-03-2011 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Incarcerated O's fan (Post 7797153)
getnickwrightnick wright

#Chiefs have tried to get/keep Ty Warren, Shaun Smith, Ron Edwards and others we are unaware of, and got outbid. Good or bad, it's true.

we're sitting on $30 mill...so this is bullshit


and I think letting Smith go is going to be a mistake...just doesn't make any sense

Red Beans 08-03-2011 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7797394)
we're sitting on $30 mill...so this is bullshit


and I think letting Smith go is going to be a mistake...just doesn't make any sense

It certainly makes sense to make a determination on the value of a player and not pay more money than that limit to retain their services. What are Warren, Edwards, and Smith worth? There's really no way to tell until we see some stats this year, my hunch is that they're all a overpaid. We'll see...

the Talking Can 08-03-2011 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 7797414)
It certainly makes sense to make a determination on the value of a player and not pay more money than that limit to retain their services. What are Warren, Edwards, and Smith worth? There's really no way to tell until we see some stats this year, my hunch is that they're all a overpaid. We'll see...

thanks pioli

Shaun Smith got 7 mill for 3 years (total, not guaranteed)...that can't qualify as overpaid in the nfl under any circumstances...certainly not for DE with almsot 60 tackles

no question he was worth that much to us

Edwards was trash and I'm glad he's gone...Warren was a ? mark and now he's a bronco so f him...

Red Beans 08-03-2011 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7797418)
thanks pioli

Shaun Smith got 7 mill for 3 years (total, not guaranteed)...that can't qualify as overpaid in the nfl under any circumstances...certainly not for DE with almsot 60 tackles

no question he was worth that much to us

Edwards was trash and I'm glad he's gone...Warren was a ? mark and now he's a bronco so f him...

My money says Shaun Smith is overpaid this year. How much of his improved play had to do with Romeo's coaching? Look at the stats - See a trend? His best efforts were when he was paired with Crennel. Otherwise the dude is a turd -

2004 CIN 3 2 2 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2004 NO 5 9 6 3 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 CIN 13 25 17 8 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2006 CIN 13 10 6 4 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

2007 CLE 15 62 48 14 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2 2 0

2008 CLE 11 36 26 10 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 8 0

2009 CIN 3 8 3 5 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

2010 KC 16 56 30 26 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 0

the Talking Can 08-03-2011 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 7797464)
My money says Shaun Smith is overpaid this year. How much of his improved play had to do with Romeo's coaching? Look at the stats - See a trend? His best efforts were when he was paired with Crennel. Otherwise the dude is a turd -

2004 CIN 3 2 2 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2004 NO 5 9 6 3 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 CIN 13 25 17 8 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
2006 CIN 13 10 6 4 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

2007 CLE 15 62 48 14 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2 2 0

2008 CLE 11 36 26 10 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 8 0

2009 CIN 3 8 3 5 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

2010 KC 16 56 30 26 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 0


good thing Crennel isn't still here....


and 7mill over 3 years (with a max of 3 mill guaranteed) is the NFL equivalent of finding a quarter on the street....for a guy who gave us 56 tackles last year and helped improve our run defense, it's dirt cheap...

he walked in off the street and was our second best DL, without question

Pasta Little Brioni 08-03-2011 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7796863)
Yep. Because being in a hurry to win equals spending free agent money.

We improved our run defense. We improved our receivers.

I really laugh at the people that really act like we haven't done anything to improve this team over last.

But, but, but O's and Forever Chief built the Chiefs into a Dynasty through "big name" signings in Free Agency in Madden

Red Coater 08-03-2011 07:31 AM

We need a fs and a ss and a vetern qb

Red Beans 08-03-2011 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7797468)
good thing Crennel isn't still here....


and 7mill over 3 years (with a max of 3 mill guaranteed) is the NFL equivalent of finding a quarter on the street....for a guy who gave us 56 tackles last year and helped improve our run defense, it's dirt cheap...

he walked in off the street and was our second best DL, without question

I guess what I'm getting at is that Smith is clearly at his best when he's been coach by Crennel. And he's clearly not willing to take less money or years under contract to stay with a specific coach thats improved his game over his spotty career. That's the real issue. I like the guy and was sad to see him go, but there is something to be said for recognizing the impact of a certain coach on a player's performance. By letting him walk, it's pretty safe to say that Pioli's aware of the correlation. Smith will underwhelm with Tennessee is my guess...

Los Pollos Hermanos 08-03-2011 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Coater (Post 7797488)
We need a fs and a ss and a vetern qb

I agree. Cut Berry!

Red Coater 08-03-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 7797499)
I agree. Cut Berry!

I'm talking for depth.

the Talking Can 08-03-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 7797494)
I guess what I'm getting at is that Smith is clearly at his best when he's been coach by Crennel. And he's clearly not willing to take less money or years under contract to stay with a specific coach thats improved his game over his spotty career. That's the real issue. I like the guy and was sad to see him go, but there is something to be said for recognizing the impact of a certain coach on a player's performance. By letting him walk, it's pretty safe to say that Pioli's aware of the correlation. Smith will underwhelm with Tennessee is my guess...

what Smith does in Tennessee is irrelevant...


we lost quality on the DL for pennies...and I'm guessing the reason he left has more to do with years on the contract than $$$...we probably offered a 1yr deal....again, squabbling over pennies...you could cut him next year with zero meaningful effect on the cap..

behind Jackson (who is a giant ?) we have no DE that has played 1st and 2nd downs in the NFL, we have a 3rd down specialist and a rookie 3rd rounder...I'm much more comfortable with Powe, a 6th rounder, at NT than I am Bailey at DE...


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