Really, the more impressive thing to me is he was able to deliver that ball in such a short amount of time out of playaction. I mean, that play was boom, boom, boom, and it was spot on.

Yeah, I was just focused on the playaction. It was impressive from under center, but the playaction is what made it impossible from any position besides a first read. Had the playaction not been there, he could've made that throw on a 2nd read. Whatever, I'm just over analyzing it.

People are WAY to fixated on this "1st read" bullshit.

You know how many times a game a QB in the NFL goes to his 2nd read? How many times does he go to his 3rd?

Guys don't go through their progressions on EVERY ****ING PLAY.

NFL offenses are designed to exploit matchups. Even NFL QBs go to their 1st read more often than ANYWHERE else.

LOL, Matt Cassel did it to us, because that ****er has tunnel vision unlike anything I've ever seen. And again, it wasn't a goddamned negative statement. Just an over analyzation.

I wasn't meaning to single you out.

Everybody seems to be talking about it.

Sorry. Clay has me feeling insecure. I don't want a declaration of Independence, MO thread about me...

It's cool bro. I'm not gonna waterboard your ass.

Whew. That was a close one.

But one more thread about even contemplating being OK with not drafting a QB at 1/1 and...

Yeah. Tried to create some conversation, and almost got cornholed by the rusty, AIDS fork.

I've seen him look off his 1st read and 2nd read and go to his third option, Thats all I needed to see to climb on board. The first video I saw he went 1st read all the time and that worried me. After watching a few others I saw times people weren't open and he went to a second or third read. Sold.

I've looked around trying to find his 'top end' so to speak, and there really aren't any good videos of it.

We've all seen that Barkley throw where he puts his entire body into it and gets it 60 yards with a hump. We've also seen a bunch of touch passes in that 40 yard range from Geno.

What I'd love to see is just how well he can sling that ball when he needs to. Can he give you a 60 yarder without needing his whole body and 4 strides. Can he give you a piss-rocket into a seam 30-40 yards downfield.

I think he has an elite arm, but I'm extrapolating that from what I can see from his touch passes. He rarely truly muscles up and rockets a throw.

In other words - what exactly is his fastball? I've not seen it just yet.

I was at the game - Luck was shitty.

He had a good drive, but apart from one good drive he was awful. He had those 'Cassel drops' where he was throwing it behind guys or over them and they were getting 'drops' because the passes were not very catchable.

Look, Luck is going to be an amazing QB, but lets not act like he never struggles. He had an undeniably bad game on Sunday. He was missing targets all day and it was clear to anyone that wasn't looking to suck him off.

In Luck's defense he had 5 passes dropped.

That changed the game. That's via PFF, and those were the passes that hit guys right in both hands. They just dropped them because of contact.

What's he got upsatirs?