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penguinz 09-27-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 8954759)
why on earth would you want to do medium weight at medium speed, over heavy weight at maximum speed. :banghead:

Really?

Aspengc8 09-27-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 8954881)
Really?

If strength is your goal, then yeah, really. Bar speed is important when moving weight, the faster the bar moves, whether its medium or heavy, the more force is applied. More force = more fast twitch recruitment.

BigCatDaddy 09-27-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 8954887)
If strength is your goal, then yeah, really. Bar speed is important when moving weight, the faster the bar moves, whether its medium or heavy, the more force is applied. More force = more fast twitch recruitment.

Assuming you aren't using momentum in the lifts.

Aspengc8 09-27-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 8954895)
Assuming you aren't using momentum in the lifts.

True dat. Love those guys bouncing deadlifts for reps!

penguinz 09-27-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 8954887)
If strength is your goal, then yeah, really. Bar speed is important when moving weight, the faster the bar moves, whether its medium or heavy, the more force is applied. More force = more fast twitch recruitment.

lol

Silock 09-27-2012 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8954680)
do 10 to 12 reps a flat rate, but at lower weights it's all about perfecting the technique at medium to medium slow speed while your repping it out to 10-12. compound movements ( combine two exercises in one rep helps for variation too)

That's not what a compound exercise is.

Silock 09-27-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8954850)
Has to be the right calories, carbohydrate intake, and protein, or that shit will go to your stomach. Chill, dude it works for me. First I got my muscle dense and cut by doing the light to medium variation then did the heavy and maxed out weight. Then I alternated with pure power exercises, then mixed heavy and muscle isolation with light and heavy weight, then the compound movements I was talking about for further variation but the key element is the perfection of the technique and form without jerky speed that will **** up your joints.

Speed doesn't **** up your joints. Improper form ****s up your joints. Going too fast can cause you to ignore good form, but it's not the underlying issue. Big power lifters can also have ****ed up joints from the repetitive stress of lifting huge amounts of weight, but it's certainly not a speed issue.

And if you are moving the appropriate amount of weight, you won't be able to move the bar that fast, anyway.

Tribal Warfare 09-27-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 8955012)
Speed doesn't **** up your joints. Improper form ****s up your joints.

both are very relative when someone is just focusing on putting up the weight and unable to lower it down properly which I went over with correct technique and feeling the muscle contract when you flex while doing 10-12 reps.

Silock 09-27-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8955038)
both are very relative when someone is just focusing on putting up the weight and unable to lower it down properly which I went over with correct technique and feeling the muscle contract when you flex while doing 10-12 reps.

Again, that isn't a speed issue.

Tribal Warfare 09-27-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 8955076)
Again, that isn't a speed issue.

really you are a doctor?

lewdog 09-27-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8955038)
both are very relative when someone is just focusing on putting up the weight and unable to lower it down properly which I went over with correct technique and feeling the muscle contract when you flex while doing 10-12 reps.

Anytime someone mentions feeling the muscle contract I know for a fact they don't squat or deadlift!

I have never once given a shit about feeling a muscle contract.

:facepalm:

lewdog 09-27-2012 06:11 PM

We are getting trolled in the fitness thread!!!

Silock 09-27-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 8955081)
really you are a doctor?

The **** does that matter? I know the problem. If you are using weights that you can hurt yourself by moving too quickly, you aren't using the right amount of weight.

Aspengc8 09-28-2012 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 8955269)
Anytime someone mentions feeling the muscle contract I know for a fact they don't squat or deadlift!

I have never once given a shit about feeling a muscle contract.

:facepalm:

I couldn't tell if he was trolling or not. If your trying to pull 500 for a triple, you sure as hell aren't going to control the negative or try and 'feel' the muscle.. your going to try and pull as fast as you can (even though the bar may move slow).

lewdog 09-28-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 8956201)
I couldn't tell if he was trolling or not. If your trying to pull 500 for a triple, you sure as hell aren't going to control the negative or try and 'feel' the muscle.. your going to try and pull as fast as you can (even though the bar may move slow).

For sure, that is Muscle and Fitness talk!

I have gotten relatively big, although not super strong by powerlifting standards and I have never gave a shit how the muscle "felt" while I lifted weight. I continuously try to add weight to the bar while focusing on Squats, Deads, Military Press and Bench to start every workout I ever do.


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