The Cardinals need to try and sign Bay as their RH bench bat. The guy still has some pop left.

Colorado is out of it. Try and get De La Rosa through a waiver trade.

So they're thinking miller won't miss any time.


@Cardinals: RHP Carlos Martinez will be recalled from Memphis (AAA) to make start tomorrow in series finale vs. Dodgers.

I just hate how MLB tries to suck every last dollar from their regional TV contract. We have six teams that are blacked out here. Not just locally but in the whole state. That's a distance of 400 miles blackout area.

Good for Shelby, but I'm always wary of any Cardinal injury. Our training staff is completely incompetent and has been for as long as I can recall. If only someone could slice Westbrook's UCL in his sleep. Today's start is must-see.

These ****ers are really making me angry.

This made me think of watching Scott Rolen start crying after taking a swing at the plate (post-labrum or whatever). As I recall, he had been completely cleared to play by the Cardinals training staff in that instance.

What are the current thoughts on Oscar Taveras? I am seeing some Cardinals fans who now are pro-trade for Taveras.

I think they're crazy...

Anyone who wants to trade Taveras should be spayed or neutered. Wil Myers, who was not the minor league hitter that Taveras is, is looking like a 5-6 WAR player right now.

Are there more than five players who could give you more surplus value than what Taveras looks to provide?

They've been horrific for as long as I've been actively watching them. All through the LaRussa years our players (sans Albert) were always out longer than initially expected. They were frequently misdiagnosed, and the pitchers broke down at an absolutely preposterous rate.

IMO, that's the one organizational weakness.

RH power bats that are out there:

Jason Bay
Mark Reynolds.

We could really use that pop off the bench.

you were wanting him to be fresh for the playoffs. Now you have the perfect excuse to rest him a start or two.

Especially if Martinez pitched 5-to 6 good innings.

I know but before the season the Profar trade was looking good. RF/1B could be played by Beltran/Craig/Adams

But now Jay has to go, Freese has to go. Holliday is in decline. We need Taveras's offense and play CF.

**** the Dodgers and **** this Ryu guy.

So I'm not watching live, but it seems the dodgers have had a shit ton of infield singles already

Yes, they've really not hit anything hard, he's got in on Dodger hitters consistantly. Just bad luck.

Absolutely preposterous. Of their five hits, one was hit mildly solid, and even that was just a slap hit to the opposite field.

We got ours back, though. Ethier dropped the ball as he took it out of his glove, then lackadaisically tossed it into the IF, over the 2B's head. It then hit off the corner of the base, shot into left field, and Holliday scored during the confusion.

Martinez's command has been spotty at times, but I don't think Johnson is calling nearly enough curveballs. It's a plus-plus pitch, he's getting to two strikes on almost everyone, and he's just having him throw two or four seamers every time.

I never supported that idea. FWIW, WAR is a good metric over the course of a season, but I'll always take the 6 WAR RF in a clutch AB over a 6 WAR SS.

Another grounder that finds a hole :facepalm:

****!!

These mother****ers just have our number. Ellis is a worthless shitbag. Giving up a HR to that two bit ****stain is killer.

A.J.!

This team played over its head for a while but it's back to the norm

Oh yay, another injured pitcher.

This team is several games under its Pythagorean W-L. If you want to talk about a team playing over its head look at Pittsburgh.

The curse of the soft-tossing lefty continues.

wow, freese dropped the easiest pop up you will ever see. lol

Four and eleven in the last 15.

Even if they did miraculously make the playoffs they aren't doing shit, especially if its just the wild card.

Jack Clark-seco making a massive ass of himself:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...171518294.html

They have a 99.5% chance of making the playoffs. They have an 8.5 game lead. They would have to lose 75% of their games to miss out on the playoffs.

Idea for next year (provided you don't trade Wong)

1) MCarp gets about 40 starts at 3rd, 40 in right, 40 at second, 20 in left (140 total)
2) Craig gets 100 starts in right 10 in left, and 30 at first (140 total)
3) Adams gets 130 starts at first, and 10ish as DH (140 total)
4) Taveras is your everyday CF (140-50 total)
5) Holliday gets 140 starts in left
6) Wong gets 120 starts at second
7) Freese gets 120 starts at third
8) Molina gets 135 starts at catcher, with an occasional 1B start sprinkled in.

Jay and Descalso play your utlity roles in the IF and OF respectively

Isn't that your best option for winning while also putting forward the most balanced lineup that can absorb an injury?

Make Beltran a qualifying offer and take the pick at the end of the first.

If Wong is not traded, why do you think Freese stays?

I think carpenter could play any position but SS/1B/C. But, he needs to go to 3B and Wong to 2B.

Taveras definitely needs to be our everyday CF.

I like Martinez as a reliever or trade bait for a SS. But who is worth a trade of our top guys?

Move Rosenthal to the starting lineup. But I think they let Mujica walk and he becomes the closer.

I like this pool for starting pitching. It's young, but WTH. Someone falls off a cliff, we got guys to call off the bench.

Waino
Miller
Wacha
Rosenthal
Lynn
Kelly/Garcia/Lyons/Gast/

Maybe with piug coming on the dodgers would be willing to trade kemp?

Kemp plays center, Puig plays right, and the Dodgers have unlimited money. That would never, ever happen. Furthermore, you want to pay Matt Kemp $20 million per year until he's 35, because that's what the dumbass Dodgers are doing.

Here is what you're proposing:

Wong+Carpenter+RH Bench bat > Wong, Freese, Carpenter

That's poor value. My idea allows the Cardinals to rest Holliday, Craig, and Freese, none of whom are pictures of health, while never sabotaging the lineup with a Shane Robinson or Ty Wigginton to do so. Furthermore, you aren't Profaring Wong in this example.

I'm 100% down with trading Wong. I get it. But it's nice to have seven above average-great ML hitters for six spots than six, especially when you can parcel out ABs like that.

Yeah, no, I was actually joking though.


No way I'd do that

Freese will play all the time. Holliday will play all the time. No way Matheny cuts back their playing time. Surely we can get a better RH bat off the bench this off season.You know the market and other teams way better than myself.

Is there any SS's out there worth trading our top guys for? And if so who and what would it take?

Freese has played more than 100 games once. His high is 144 in 2012. Has he ever had a season in the bigs when he wasn't on the DL?

Holliday is a 33 year old who just got off the DL. He's been pretty durable save 2011, but he's also a declining player who could use the rest and who would still get several ABs off the bench. He only has 92 starts this year out of 110 games.

These are problems that solve themselves, because Freese's body definitely can't handle a full season of wear, and Holliday's will become less and less likely.

As far as shortstops, you could try and buy low on an intra-divisional trade for Starlin Castro. The Cubs have a SS who is raking in High A, but he's not likely in Chicago for two years. Assdribble Cabrera is likely going to be a trade target in the offseason because the Indians have a really good prospect breathing down his neck, and he's a FA after 2014.

There isn't much out there.

Eighty-nine belt high on the inside corner and we reverse K two ABs in a row. And you wonder why this team can't hit LHP :facepalm:

I have a feeling they'll end up beating this one like a drum.

Or not. Good lord.

It's just too damned easy to keep a team scoreless when they have no home run power. This guy has left a lot of pitches up and the Cardinals are completely incapable of driving them over the wall.

Did Craig just miss one?

If by just miss one, you mean hit a ball to the track that never looked like it was going out, then yes.

Pit getting crushed tonight and the Cards cant push 1 damn run across.

Oh JFC enough with Kozma. The guy cannot hit at this level.

Late inning tight ball game. This is where we find a way to lose.

Jesus ****...that you would even need a conference for that...


P. much

And now Lynn has gone Section 8

Lynn has pitched well tonight but its time to pull him

Matheny sitting on his ass too long again.

Crazy or low rent housing?

I hate Matheny.

It's about ****ing time. **** Matheny.

JFC Matheny

Matheny is in over his head. He cant manage a pitching staff.

If there is a worse manager in all of baseball I don't know who it is.

And to the surprise of abso****inglutely no one

Time for bed. I think I need to take a short break from watching the abortion that is cardinals baseball

Wow this team ****ing stinks lately. No excuses they just stink.

Anyone who bitched about TLR I present MM

There is absolutely no argument for keeping this ****tard around. Worst manager I've ever seen.

Mike Matheny at a glance:

Favorite film: Ishtar
Favorite bridge: Tacoma Narrows
Favorite Hotel: Kansas City Hyatt Regency
Favorite Hedge Fund: Madoff and Sons
Favorite FEMA Director: Mike Brown
Favorite Defensive Scheme: Wide 9
Favorite Play: Sac Bunt

Yes in the 4 lonely wins this last 16 game 3 have been by blowout. So he only has 1 win where he actually has to manage. The guy needs to go now.

Cards will be in 3rd place before long. They will probably hold onto that 2nd wildcard spot though. Maybe they will get hot and win despite MM.

Ouch.

I'd like to know what Matheny does in daily life. Does he wait until 16,000 miles to change the oil in his car? When he pulls up to the gas station does he use diesel because it's the only open pump? Does he keep going to the same McDonald's even though their Coke is always flat? Does he ignore recall information on children's toys? Has he hoarded real estate near Pripyat?

All this from "The best fans" in baseball....

well when your used to winning the losing feels wierd

That pitch to Descalso was perfect. He had no right to bitch about that.

Lynn just admitted to pitching around Darwin Barney with a runner one second and one out.

I have no words.

This team is still +137 in run diff. Thats piss poor managing to be losing at this rate with that stat.

WTF? You pitch around the 8th place hitter thats hitting .211? GTFO the mound if you are scared of that type of hitter.

I bet Molina wouldn't have allowed that.

And by pitching around him, unless you force a DP you guarantee that their hottest hitter will face you with at least two men on or runs already on the board.

I blame Matheny just as much. You could tell that he was losing it, just like you could tell that Kelly was losing it against the Dodgers. In both cases he left the starter in too long and jeopardized the game. He's just lucky that Maness saved his ass with a double play ball in the Dodger game.

Once Lynn got near the 100 pitch count and his control started to go bad again, his ass should have been yanked for Maness. The camera shot into the dugout was perfect around then. Matheny and Fatass just sitting in there staring into space like reeruns.

I guess this is what happens when you hire a guy that has approximately 1,952 concussions in his past.

:facepalm::facepalm:

Fireable offense. Like your 3 hitter sacrificing with 2 on, no out, and down 2 runs. I....have no words either.

And yes, Matheny continues to downgrade a University of Michigan education.

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Siegrist missing spots and elevating. Getting lucky.

Oh my God. Johnson, you ****ing clown.

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Twenty-eight straight fastballs from Rosenthal. This is idiotic.