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SAUTO 02-06-2011 01:41 PM

Both fireable offenses if you ask me
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Originally Posted by Chiefless (Post 7410682)
Jim Thome alone would have likely gotten us to .500. Each of his 18 homers (It's the K!) would be worth one additional win we wouldn't have gotten without him. And I'm sure Cliff Lee would have extended his discount to come to play with "Billy Butler and the Waiting Game." DM missed his window with these failures.

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Jenson71 02-06-2011 01:42 PM

I haven't posted in here yet, but I want you to all know that I'll be here, watching the Royals. Everyday. God Bless em.

KurtCobain 02-06-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71 (Post 7410696)
I haven't posted in here yet, but I want you to all know that I'll be here, watching the Royals. Everyday. God Bless em.


The royals rock.

petegz28 02-06-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7410593)
Yep. The mirage of '03 was actually a terrible thing for the franchise because Beltran would not re-sign.

Of course, it's likely that we would have ****ed up that trade, regardless of when it was made, so there's that, too.

Why in the **** are we talking about the dog shit past of this franchise, though? This is the better question. It's absolutely fruitless, and there are some legitimately good reasons, for the first time in a long time, to have some real optimism.

Let's enjoy the now because the next Jason Kendall could be up around the corner.

I'm gearing up for my annual trip to Surprise next month. Hopefully I see on the filed what you say in your post. then again, we always do good in spring training.

Chiefless 02-06-2011 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7410692)
Both fireable offenses if you ask me
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Meh. I'll give him another year. BUT, if he doesn't make a play for AROD to play third next year...I'm DONE.

SAUTO 02-06-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefless (Post 7410795)
Meh. I'll give him another year. BUT, if he doesn't make a play for AROD to play third next year...I'm DONE.

our prospects should be worth like pujols, a rod, and sabbathia. I heard there was an offer but glASS refused cheap. CHEAP I SAY!
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DeezNutz 02-06-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7410749)
I'm gearing up for my annual trip to Surprise next month. Hopefully I see on the filed what you say in your post. then again, we always do good in spring training.

Cool, man. You need to be our eyes on the ground for all things prospects. I believe WTI usually makes a trip that way, too, if memory serves...

GloryDayz 02-06-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefless (Post 7410637)
Wait...



I'm confused. Is it the fans' love of the team that's at fault for the Royals mess? Or is the fans' lack of love for the team that's proof that they will not get behind a loser?

No one in their right mind thinks KC is a good team...not one person posting in this tread. But history indicates that teams in the Royals current position will most likely BE good in 3-5 years. The record of that being true is, like, 10-0 in the last 20 years (or something like that). Why can you not understand how that is pretty solid hope for a turnaround that's 30 years overdue?

Because we've had 10 3-year periods in the last 30 years, and 6 5-year periods. As for you seeing some totally new formular out there, I'm not seeing it. 20 year ago it was called, "grow our own talent through the farm system." Sonds like the same thing. The truth is, it's got to be a mix, you've got to go our and buy some known stars, get lucky and grow some of your own, and then have just enough journymen players to not mess up the real stars. No, that doesn't mean go be the Yankees! But know that sooner or later you are going to have to get a Cliff Lee or two. And even after you do that, then you still need some luck and the graces of God. But I don't think you can count on your farm system being 90-95% of your top players.

Chiefless 02-06-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7410809)
our prospects should be worth like pujols, a rod, and sabbathia. I heard there was an offer but glASS refused cheap. CHEAP I SAY!
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I smell a three-way trade:

Yankees get
Moose
Duffy
Montgomery
Soria


Cardinals get
Hosmer
Meyers
John Lamb


Royals get
Pujols
Sabathia
a-rod
$100,000 (to offset the contracts).

THAT would be an epic haul and a sure fire world series team.

Chiefless 02-06-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 7410836)
Because we've had 10 3-year periods in the last 30 years, and 6 5-year periods. As for you seeing some totally new formular out there, I'm not seeing it. 20 year ago it was called, "grow our own talent through the farm system." Sonds like the same thing. The truth is, it's got to be a mix, you've got to go our and buy some known stars, get lucky and grow some of your own, and then have just enough journymen players to not mess up the real stars. No, that doesn't mean go be the Yankees! But know that sooner or later you are going to have to get a Cliff Lee or two. And even after you do that, then you still need some luck and the graces of God. But I don't think you can count on your farm system being 90-95% of your top players.

But that's EXACTLY what we're ALL saying.

DeezNutz 02-06-2011 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefless (Post 7410846)
But that's EXACTLY what we're ALL saying.

Not me.

While I agree that the core needs to be home-grown talent, we're going to need to supplement with strong moves in trades and FA. DM has shown a lot of weaknesses in these two areas, particularly when he's dabbled in the FA market.

I have to laugh at lineup projections that have Moose, Hosmer, Myers, Colon, etc. all there and in key roles. The truth is, many of our prospects will fail, including some that no one thinks will.

Fortunately, we're throwing a lot of high-quality numbers at the thing, and this is why it's different now. But there is no way in **** that we should reasonably expect 95% of the team to be talent from the draft. We're absolutely going to need several--stress several--key pieces from trades/FA.

Hell, let's hope that Escobar and Cain fit this bill.

Chiefless 02-06-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7410854)
Not me.

While I agree that the core needs to be home-grown talent, we're going to need to supplement with strong moves in trades and FA. DM has shown a lot of weaknesses in these two areas, particularly when he's dabbled in the FA market.

I have to laugh at lineup projections that have Moose, Hosmer, Myers, Colon, etc. all there and in key roles. The truth is, many of our prospects will fail, including some that no one thinks will.

Fortunately, we're throwing a lot of high-quality numbers at the thing, and this is why it's different now. But there is no way in **** that we should reasonably expect 95% of the team to be talent from the draft. We're absolutely going to need several--stress several--key pieces from trades/FA.

Hell, let's hope that Escobar and Cain fit this bill.

Um that's what I was trying to say. Everyone gets that we will need to acquire adequate missing pieces through means other than the draft. The argument seems to be when and whether DM is the man to do that. I have my doubts as well. But Adding Meche and even Guillen to a talent rich team would have looked FAR different than adding them when they did.

GloryDayz 02-06-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefless (Post 7410846)
But that's EXACTLY what we're ALL saying.

All I've seen out of the Royals is a "best farm system" award, ZG blowing them a kiss, and a few more prospects. No Lee, no Thome, nobody that made anybody in the baseball world say, "Wow, how'd the Royals pull that off?" If anything, they're still laughing. Now ZG going "there" still makes me chuckle, but I still angers me... Then I hear we're supposed to be optimistic. Why? Because of who? Because we got an award? Sorry, I think my tax dollars are being wasted. The great people of KC deserve better.

DeezNutz 02-06-2011 02:41 PM

The Meche signing was pure win, until Hillman/Moore destroyed him. Guillen was a disaster on so many different levels, though, and it shouldn't have necessitated hindsight to see it:

1. He's an absolute pain in the ass to manage, well documented, and a first-year manager with no ML experience was tasked with keeping him in check, which resulted in Hillman losing the clubhouse.
2. The dude was coming off a steroid suspension, at age thirty-****ing-two.
3. Defensively he was a ****ing disaster.

It took an impressive level of stupid for Moore to sign Guillen to that specific contract.

Bowser 02-06-2011 02:44 PM

But Moore had his NAME signing. NAME.


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