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jd1020 10-18-2011 07:36 PM

That's a whole lot of QB's in one draft.

DeezNutz 10-18-2011 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8005160)
That's a whole lot of QB's in one draft.

What makes up for it is that they all suck.

jd1020 10-18-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8005162)
What makes up for it is that they all suck.

That, and Campbell is already packing his bags.

Ugly Duck 10-18-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 8005155)
Sweet, so in next years draft you guys have 2 late round draft picks.

You're forgetting the compensatory picks. Plus we got players for those "missing picks. See above.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-18-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderJave (Post 8004974)
And you know this...how? He hasn't taken a single snap in Oakland, yet you've already predetermined he's not going to succeed. Shouldn't you....wait the year out and see how he plays BEFORE you judge the trade?

#1)If we wait until then, we are using hindsight. Judging a trade five years from now is pretty easy. But, then, its all in hindsight and second guessing.

#2) Unless you win the Super Bowl, or he goes to five pro bowls and puts up 4000 yard seasons, you overpaid.

He is 31 years old. At best, you can expect five years out of him at a high level.

Those better be some of the best years ever by a QB. Otherwise, it is a foolish trade. The only other way to make this worth it is winning a Super Bowl.

When you draft and hit on a young qb, you have 12-15 years to build the team around him. You have five years. And, in one of those years, you are going to have no first day draft picks. In a second, you will be missing at least one second round pick.

Are the Raiders really that close in your mind?

SPchief 10-18-2011 07:44 PM

So what are the Raiders gonna give up this offseason to get a QB that can play a whole season?

SenselessChiefsFan 10-18-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8005153)
I think you missed it.... dude has multiple ProBowls & ProBowl MVP award

Sorry, meant pro bowl recently. Yes, I know he has been to two, the most recent being 2006.

Sorry, I left out that piece.

Okie_Apparition 10-18-2011 07:51 PM

A QB made the pro-bowl after only playing 10 games

2010: Carson Palmer declines a Pro Bowl invitation because of injury

Carson Palmer declined because of a recent procedure to repair his injured thumb. Instead, Vince Young, recording an 8-2 record in the 10 games he started, gets the call

Ugly Duck 10-18-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 8005192)
Sorry, meant pro bowl recently. Yes, I know he has been to two, the most recent being 2006.

He was also invited to the ProBowl last year, but had to decline because of an injury to his non-throwing thumb. Vince Young went in his stead. 2010 is pretty recent for a ProBowl invite.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-18-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8005153)
What cap Hell? Palmer restructured - we pay him 3 mil for the year. Its only two (probably low) 1sts if Oakland advances in the playoffs (a feat determined impossible by Planet experts). Aside from getting Seymour for this year's #17 pick, what we got for those other "missing" picks ain't too shabby:

Oakland Raiders 2012 draft picks:

1st round (to Cincy): QB Carson Palmer

2nd round (to NE): OT Joe Barksdale and RB Taiwan Jones

3rd round (Supplemental): QB Terrell Pryor

4th round (to Wash): QB Jason Campbell

5th round: Still own pick

6th round: Still own pick

7th round (to Seattle): OLB Aaron Curry

Do you really see a lot of value here? Lets set aside Palmer for a second.

Campbell played okay, but he wasn't a star. The Raiders didn't win the division last year, and they probably weren't winning the division this year with him at the helm. But, either way, he will be gone.

Barksdale and Jones are both backups. Do you ever see Jones being a starter? I mean, Barksdale....maybe. But, then again, with the struggles on the line currently..... I would expect him to get more of a look.

Pryor- a bit of a project, and now, when do you think he will actually get to play QB? Five years from now?

Now, I am on record that I like the Curry trade. I wish the Chiefs had made that trade.

But, other than that trade.... there is a whole lotta meh at best. And, the Palmer trade is amazing....just astounding.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-18-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8005212)
He was also invited to the ProBowl last year, but had to decline because of an injury to his non-throwing thumb. Vince Young went in his stead. 2010 is pretty recent for a ProBowl invite.

He was an injury replacement himselft. He was not an original invite.

And, it was based on his 2009 season. It's like me talking about how great Cassel is because he got an injury replacement invite to the 2011 pro bowl.

BigMeatballDave 10-18-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8005179)
You're forgetting the compensatory picks. Plus we got players for those "missing picks. See above.

You must be dizzy.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-18-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8005199)
A QB made the pro-bowl after only playing 10 games

2010: Carson Palmer declines a Pro Bowl invitation because of injury

Carson Palmer declined because of a recent procedure to repair his injured thumb. Instead, Vince Young, recording an 8-2 record in the 10 games he started, gets the call

Palmer recieved an invite as an injury replacement. Cassel got into the pro bowl in the same way.

PornChief 10-18-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8005212)
He was also invited to the ProBowl last year, but had to decline because of an injury to his non-throwing thumb. Vince Young went in his stead. 2010 is pretty recent for a ProBowl invite.

didn't the chiefs outstanding QB go too?

CaliforniaChief 10-18-2011 08:12 PM

Matt Cassel's participation in the Pro Bowl forever invalidates any appeal to one's appearance or performance in that game as an indicator of football ability.

Good Lord, the world is ending...Cincinnati made an incredible trade. Two top picks for a retired, injury-prone QB.

I wonder what we could have gotten for Trent Green?


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