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ShortRoundChief 12-11-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8191296)
Guess you didn't watch preseason. You know... Where Stanzi showed the best potential of anything at QB this team has.


Wha....? You would evaluate a rookie by his performance in a shortened preseason, preseason game?

I think at this point he should get a shot on the field. We have nothing to gain this year let's evaluate.

htismaqe 12-11-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8191293)
What game has Stanzi played in? How can you possibly evaluate him?

It's not about evaluating Stanzi.

It's about evaluating PALKO.

He's the worst QB in the league, with a bullet.

I couldn't get the game so I had to switch back and forth between Fox radio and ESPN radio - both crews were LAUGHING every time they updated the score and had to mention Palko.

splatbass 12-11-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8191296)
Guess you didn't watch preseason. You know... Where Stanzi showed the best potential of anything at QB this team has.

In preseason, with the third string and a vanilla offense. Are you telling me that without even seeing practice you know more than Haley and Zorn about who is better? Really? Get over yourself.

NJChiefsFan 12-11-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8191307)
I would have liked to have seen him play today, but I will admit that Haley and Zorn are in more of a position to decide if he is ready than I am - or anyone else here. There are a lot of people here with egos so big that they think that without even seeing practice they know more about it than professionals who see them in practice every day.

I fully admit that while I value my own views, I don't see what coaches see. That being said, I think this situation is beyond that. There just really isn't a way Stanzi could be worse, and even if he is, what is the risk?

Sometimes as a coach you lose some perspective. You see Palko working hard as hell and maybe it influences you. You are getting paid a lot but people are human. In this case, I think the fans are just seeing it more clearly.

scho63 12-11-2011 05:33 PM

One minor positive thing I will say about Haley is that he never points his finger at any of his players in public and always does his best to put a positive face on a sh*tty situation. He is also very protective of what happens behind closed doors. That's not easy as a HC and he deserves some credit for that, no matter how pissed I am at him for not using Stanzi. The players have to respect that at some level.

Extra Point 12-11-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8191312)
- both crews were LAUGHING every time they updated the score and had to mention Palko.

The only thing to do, is record the next game, and make a drinking game rule, that each time "Palko" is mentioned, you have to do a shot of a clear drink. Each INT Picko throws, you have to do three.

First man to pass out or puke, wins.

jd1020 12-11-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8191322)
In preseason, with the third string and a vanilla offense. Are you telling me that without even seeing practice you know more than Haley and Zorn about who is better? Really? Get over yourself.

How many happy endings have you given Haley?

Bump 12-11-2011 05:34 PM

ya, it's not about Stanzi as much as it is about Palko. He's doesn't give anybody a chance to win, it's almost zero, the defense can't allow more than 7 points for a chance to win, that's not giving your team the best chance. I'd rather grab one of our d-lineman who once played QB in highschool then keep playing Palko, that would give us a better chance to win, seriously. And yes, I'm aware that we won a game with Palko, but that was all the defense and without a miracle play that has a 2% chance of working, we would have lost.

splatbass 12-11-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8191327)
I fully admit that while I value my own views, I don't see what coaches see. That being said, I think this situation is beyond that. There just really isn't a way Stanzi could be worse, and even if he is, what is the risk?

The risk is that you can ruin him forever. He could develop into a good QB, but if you throw him to the wolves it could set him back so much he can never recover. Is it worth that for a single game in a losing season?

splatbass 12-11-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8191346)
How many happy endings have you given Haley?

As I said, get over yourself. You don't know shit. A self-appointed armchair expert.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8191327)
I fully admit that while I value my own views, I don't see what coaches see. That being said, I think this situation is beyond that. There just really isn't a way Stanzi could be worse, and even if he is, what is the risk?

Sometimes as a coach you lose some perspective. You see Palko working hard as hell and maybe it influences you. You are getting paid a lot but people are human. In this case, I think the fans are just seeing it more clearly.

Well, we don't know what's driving the decision to start Palko. Haley's a smart guy and he's clearly building an offense around Palko's weaknesses. So I very highly doubt he's starting Palko because he thinks he's the better QB.

It could be that he doesn't want to signal to the team that the season is over. Like that decision or not, the team did play the last 3 games (prior to today) like a team that was fighting very hard for their coach and QB. Now that the Chiefs are pretty much mathematically eliminated, I don't think there's any way in hell that Palko starts. I would hope not, at least. If he does, then I feel like there's something going on behind the scenes... namely that Haley is mailing it in because he's fed up with the front office.

jd1020 12-11-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8191355)
As I said, get over yourself. You don't know shit. A self-appointed armchair expert.

Way to dodge the question. Haley taught you how to do that, right?

NJChiefsFan 12-11-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8191349)
The risk is that you can ruin him forever. He could develop into a good QB, but if you throw him to the wolves it could set him back so much he can never recover. Is it worth that for a single game in a losing season?

The Chiefs are in a spot where they really need to do what they can to get a QB in the draft. For me that means putting in Stanzi and seeing what he has and then drafting a QB unless Stanzi BLOWS you away.

The NFL is showing more and more that you can start a young QB with the likes of Dalton ect. The way the Chiefs play offense, letting him run screens, draws, slants, and throwing down field twice isn't going to ruin him.

NJChiefsFan 12-11-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8191356)
Well, we don't know what's driving the decision to start Palko. Haley's a smart guy and he's clearly building an offense around Palko's weaknesses. So I very highly doubt he's starting Palko because he thinks he's the better QB.

It could be that he doesn't want to signal to the team that the season is over. Like that decision or not, the team did play the last 3 games (prior to today) like a team that was fighting very hard for their coach and QB. Now that the Chiefs are pretty much mathematically eliminated, I don't think there's any way in hell that Palko starts. I would hope not, at least. If he does, then I feel like there's something going on behind the scenes... namely that Haley is mailing it in because he's fed up with the front office.

We shall see. The season is over now. If Sanzi doesn't get a look now whats the reason? GB is sick, but its not like their defense has been a monster this season. Its at home and KC runs an offense that protects the QB from having to actually pass anyway.

chiefzilla1501 12-11-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 8191349)
The risk is that you can ruin him forever. He could develop into a good QB, but if you throw him to the wolves it could set him back so much he can never recover. Is it worth that for a single game in a losing season?

I wouldn't worry about that. I don't think it's going to ruin him forever. Only mentally and if he's mentally beat up, he wasn't meant to be an NFL QB anyway. I do think that there's a lot to be said for... if he has some significant things to work out, then it's best to let him work out those kinks one at a time rather than have him overthink too many at one time on the field. You can't wait for him to be perfect, but it could just be that he's so raw right now that they don't feel comfortable putting him out on the field.


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