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RunKC 05-07-2013 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9665715)
You're right. Cassel has done more in less starts.
Cassel has won in the playoffs? When did this happen?

-King- 05-07-2013 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9665791)
Alex Smith in 2011 and 2012 proved he was more comparable to a Matt Hasselbeck in his prime than anyone else.

Matt Cassel, even in his "good" year in 2010, was still negatively rated by PFF.

Alex Smith was the 8th best QB in 2011 on PFF. He was on pace to hit his exact same points production in 2012 before his concussion.

Again, the people comparing Cassel and Smith and concluding they are comparable are just complete, total idiots. So if you think that, and you're reading this, you're a ****ing moron. Sucks to be you.
LMAO So now PFF stats mean something.

BTW, in 2011 and 2012, Alex Smith was the most conservative QB in the league. And it wasn't even close. That's why he ranked so high.

Sandy Vagina 05-07-2013 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9665610)
just passing by

that's the patriots fan that arrived with Matt Cassel...i mean arrived with Matt Cassel's cock punching his duodenum

4 years of this epic **** tard lecturing us on how amazing Cassel was and how we just couldn't see it...lecturing us about our own god damn team, about which he knew nothing...

4 years of being the single most embarrassingly dumb poster on the planet...4 years of being dead wrong about everything (Marcellus-level dumb)

fast forward...one whole day...another worthless backup arrives, but this time he brings his own short bus of special fans...fans all wearing t-shirts from some mall kiosk that have a low-res photo of Smith's face underneath the words, "Backups Are People Too"

on behalf of Chiefsplanet, I'd like to welcome you...welcome you to throw yourselves, and your fat stupid ugly families into an industrial strength wood chipper
Charming and clever. (really kinda boring and childish.. a growing theme here) You don't really imagine that your words are hurting feelings, do you? The only thing your words and attitude elicit is pity.

Anyway, I know that you are just coming from a sad and dark place of anguish. Lashing out because that's all you have been raised to do when confronted with real thought. I forgive you. Too bad I'm a bigger fan of your team than you. I hope that your opinion changes this season when the Chiefs win games. Don't worry... we live in an age of no accountability... so you'll not have to apologize for your trespasses.

-King- 05-07-2013 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9665812)
Cassel has won in the playoffs? When did this happen?
Oh. I'm sorry. Alex Smith is like Tebow then since playoff wins are the deciding factor. They get benched about the same rate anyway.

Spott 05-07-2013 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DoucheMcCloud (Post 9665797)
You're being obtuse.

The Chiefs didn't sign Steve DeBerg to start and run the WCO. They signed him because all they had at the time was Bill Kenny. Also, Marty didn't like him, either, and acquired Steve freaking Peuller and Dave Krieg in an attempt to upgrade the position (which of course, failed).

This is completely different than trading a #1 for Montana, a 7 for Bono, signing Elvis Grbac and trading for Alex Smith.

Although JFC, once I typed that out, it sure does look pathetic.
It's been a long time, but I vaguely remember Deberg backing up and eventually starting for Ron Jaworski at the end of Jaworski's career. Didn't Jaworski replace Kenney and then Deberg replaced Jaworski?

Messier 05-07-2013 05:56 PM
I use to compare Alex Smith and Cassel back in 2010. That's when I thought they were similar players. Cassel at his peak, and Smith before JH. I think their careers have taken completely different directions since then, and I wouldn't compare the two at all now.

Look at it this way. If Alex Smith had gone to Minnesota would he be backing up Ponder? If you think so, you're fooling yourself. No matter where he went, he was going to start.

OnTheWarpath15 05-07-2013 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9665823)
Oh. I'm sorry. Alex Smith is like Tebow then since playoff wins are the deciding factor. They get benched about the same rate anyway.
If playoff wins are the deciding factor, then Alex Smith is WAY worse than Mark Sanchez.

Sandy Vagina 05-07-2013 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9665814)
LMAO So now PFF stats mean something.

BTW, in 2011 and 2012, Alex Smith was the most conservative QB in the league. And it wasn't even close. That's why he ranked so high.
When you have a strong defense and special teams... plus a young and evolving offensive scheme... conservative yet efficient is a good thing. :thumb:

Nightfyre 05-07-2013 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 9665626)
there are no similarities between Cassel and Smith
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Except for their career stats, the fact that they take ridiculous amounts of sacks, and they lack the arm strength for deep balls and to drive intermediate routes.
FYP.

Messier 05-07-2013 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9665832)
If playoff wins are the deciding factor, then Alex Smith is WAY worse than Mark Sanchez.
I agree that just being there for a playoff win doesn't mean much, but if you watched that SF, Saints game, I don't know how your opinion of Smith couldn't change, even a little. I didn't think a lot of Smith before that game, not to mention the 2011, 2012 seasons. I changed my tune on Smith after that game. The final two scores were on him. He won that game. I don't think he's the best, or even a top ten QB in the league. I do think of all the QBs that were drafted and switched teams, he was the best.

-King- 05-07-2013 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9665927)
I agree that just being there for a playoff win doesn't mean much, but if you watched that SF, Saints game, I don't know how your opinion of Smith couldn't change, even a little. I didn't think a lot of Smith before that game, not to mention the 2011, 2012 seasons. I changed my tune on Smith after that game. The final two scores were on him. He won that game. I don't think he's the best, or even a top ten QB in the league. I do think of all the QBs that were drafted and switched teams, he was the best.
Yeah well, he still isn't better than Mark Sanchez in the playoffs.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

So OTWP is still right.

RunKC 05-07-2013 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9665823)
Oh. I'm sorry. Alex Smith is like Tebow then since playoff wins are the deciding factor. They get benched about the same rate anyway.
I'd take Tebow over Cassel.

Hootie 05-07-2013 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9665805)
Not really, because they have comparable styles of play.

Both like to throw a lot of short passes.

Both have horrible pocket presence and take a lot of sacks.

Both have underwhelming physical talent.

To ignore these similarities is obtuse.

The main difference is that the last two seasons Alex Smith played on much, much better teams and received better coaching.
so PFF doesn't count for Alex Smith

is that what you're saying?

but it counts for everyone else

Messier 05-07-2013 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9665941)
Yeah well, he still isn't better than Mark Sanchez in the playoffs.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

So OTWP is still right.
Sanchez had some good games in the playoffs, no doubt.

splatbass 05-07-2013 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9665179)
If you admit Alex Smith was a worthless pick up and a horrible quarterback and a waste of two second round draft picks you might get accepted here, that and shut the **** up.
Why would he admit something that is obvious BS? A clear exaggeration? You and your ilk are being disingenuous when you say he is a horrible QB. He may not be elite, but he is NOT in any way horrible. When you exaggerate and use hyperbole like this it does not help you. It makes you look like a small person who is throwing a temper tantrum because the team didn't do what you wanted. There are too many of you like that here. It is surprising that so many adults act like this.


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