So who has a more consistent win/loss record than Alex over the past 27 games?

Your an idiot if you are comparing Tebow to Smith LMAO

Just saying, winning one playoff game in 7 years is not particularly impressive, nor an indicator of anything.

I am still waiting for them to answer that one, but they can't because the answer is none.

We're really not that far apart. I'm saying that's one of the things (a big one) I'd hope to see before they sign him to a lucrative contract.

As for the playoff game... Alex Smith didn't do anything to that Saints D that wasn't done to it all season. In fact, his performance against them was almost exactly the AVERAGE performance by a QB in 2011 against them.

Just not that impressed by it. Sure, it was dramatic and he made some clutch plays (including some higher-degree-of-difficulty throws I wish he would make ALL the time, not just when he has no other choice). But in the end, it was a very median effort against a bad defense.

The 49ers D/ST also set Smith up to score 10 points on a grand total of 10 yards of offense (TD from the 4 after the Goldson INT return, FG after taking the ball at the 13 off teh kickoff).

I just would want to see more before he gets a lucrative extension and they commit to him long term.

30th in passing yards against, but middle of the pack in points against... that's not terribly important though. It's not like it was the 2003 Chiefs. They got into a shootout and won.

If he does the same Thursday night, sure, the Eagles' defense has been bad, but if he's making plays downfield and getting good chunks of yards, at least it's something we haven't seen much of this season.

Of course, if he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs, the board will explode.

His play might seem average if you look at the stat line for the game. However, if you consider he put up how much offense in that last quarter to win the game, it doesn't seem so average anymore. Their defense was built to stop teams from coming back...not to prevent them from grinding it out on them in the first place because the offense is too powerful to expect that to be a concern.

it would be nice to see. Im not holding my breathe though. I would like to see the run game get going this week.

I don't care what was done all season. The Chiefs couldn't run the ball on a horrible Colts rush D, like was done to them all season in the playoffs.

It's the playoffs - against a stud QB on a team that just won a SB 2 years ago.

This is like discrediting Kaepernick's win against Green Bay because their defense was putrid.

Alex Smith led both of those 4th quarter drives and made huge plays in both of them.

I want to see more too. I don't think there's a chance the Chiefs extend him prior to this off-season if he does really well.

Tom Brady

Ok I think you are are right on that one but right below him is Alex Smith :thumb:

Against teams that would fall into the category of that kind of competition? I dunno, look it up.

And I have said several times (and I think some people are glossing over because I'm not going into full-on homer mode regarding who Alex Smith has been and can be), I really do hope he elevates his game and proves he can win games like that in a Chiefs uniform.

I AM a Chiefs fan. I HOPE he succeeds because that's what is good for my team. I HOPE Andy Reid is right about Smith.

I came into the year saying he'll have to show he can do what Reid thinks he can do before I'll buy all the way in. I'm not going to apologize for sticking to my guns on that and not going Chiefs red herpaderp after beating a terrible team and a mediocre team with very tepid performances at QB from Smith.

Just because he doesn't suck doesn't mean Chiefs fans have to act like he's a true star QB.

They do need to get JC more carries, but they need to exploit the Eagles' weakness, too... which could go hand in hand.

Hey, post 25,000... yay.

Look, congrats on the post. I understand that Alex Smith has to show a whole lot more for the Chiefs to win more than just regular season games.

Im hoping he can provide that for you guys.

He is averaging over 30 passes per game. 35 to be exact. I never thought that would be possible with him.

Why the hell not? They don't count because it hurts your agenda?

When you have to qualify things that much to get your point to work you don't really have much of a point. Alex Smith has proven he can win in the playoffs. He has proven he can take his team from behind (repeatedly) in big games.

Yeah, that gets lost in the black and white world where you're either stoked about being 2-0 or you're just a hater.... ever since the draft, I've said maybe this time there's a big plan, whether Smith really is better than his stats indicate or he's just here to get back to respectability while they find their guy, or whatever.... but, after so many times of saying "maybe this time...", I'm not going all in after two games.

And if he does throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs Thursday night, I still won't be all in.... and if he throws for 90 yards and 3 INTs, I won't be all out. There are far too many variables involved to get too high or too low over one freakin' game, or even a handful of games. Saying "but he beat the Saints that one time!" doesn't simply erase everything else. Sure, it's a positive, and the more times he beats the big boys, the further he'll go towards becoming an elite QB, and the happier I'll be.

It's not about agenda. It's about desire to see more before committing to the guy long term with a lucrative contract.

Since when is doing something once (even if I agree the 2011 Saints were 'elite') proving you can do it?

He put up 4 TDs and two of them being lead changes in crunch time--like I said, a feat no other QB in NFL history has done. That's not quite "average." He played well enough to win against that ferocious Giants front the next week--in 3 point game the Giants had 10 points directly from both special teams turnovers. Oh and that was WITHOUT 3 of his top 4 wide outs from the start of the season.

I find it hard to believe that there's 15-20 better quarterbacks in the league right now. Please don't list Bradford, Newton, Tannehill, or Palmer in there either. Oh and by the way, the last time he played Philly (against Andy Reid and Vick @ Philly) was in 2011 where they were down 23-3 and won.

I'm also not sure about this obsession with discrediting anything he does. At what point is it because of him? Every comeback in the history of the league is made by a team effort--defenses giving the offense another chance, an ST turnover, good field position, etc. It's more ridiculous that tards bring this down to the play level too--oh well the corner played the ball late, the DE tripped before hitting him, the safety fell down, etc. EVERY SINGLE PLAY is made at the expense of someone else messing up but apparently anything positive done by players named Alex Smith is done in spite of him instead of because of him right? He owns the 49er franchise record for most game winning 4th quarter drives in a single season (2011) -- oh well he had a good defense and run game. LOL ridiculous.

Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Brees
Flacco
Eli
Luck
Wilson
Kap
Big Ben
Rivers
Schaub
RGIII
Stafford

Vick, Cutler, Romo, and Smith are all about the same then.

Beat me to it.

13th-20th best is probably more fair. I'm not going to Mike Mayock the table for Schaub or Rivers over Alex Smith.

By definition doing something once proves you can do it. Logic isn't your strong suit, huh?

I wouldn't take Schaub, or Stafford. But the rest of the list is legit.

So about 13th......

Are you suggesting that the SOS of those games were easier than compared to other QBs? It would be really amusing if you were.

Rivers would be a monster with Andy Reid, Charles and Bowe.

... on a consistent basis.

Chris Getz hit a HR ONCE this season... does that mean he's a consistent HR threat?

Jason Elam kicked a 63-yard field goal ONCE... does that mean he could consistently hit from that distance?

Pete Stoyanovich hit that 54-yard FG against the Broncos in 97... did that mean he could consistently hit from that distance that year?

Hell, I hit a 385 foot HR to RCF when I was 17... ONCE. Didn't mean I consistently could flash that type of power.

I really just wanted to say "Mike Mayock the table." ...

I think Alex is everything you want in a Dilfer-ed QB.

He does not turn the ball over (I'd be shocked if he tops 7-8 INT's for the year,) he doesn't make stupid decisions, and he's good in the locker room.

With a solid D, special teams, and offensive playmakers he could make a playoff run.

I don't think he could win a shoot out in the playoffs. It's completely against his grain.

I think he'd be even better if we used more play action (which he's very good at) and ran the ball more to play to his strengths...

He is Marty's wet dream at QB.

He DID win a shoot out in the playoffs, against the Saints. Haven't you been paying attention?

Seriously, you are the second person in this thread today to say that he can't do something he has actually already done. :facepalm:

No*, I just don't see how it proves your original point when you bolded/underlined what I said about how winning makes a QB elite... I said elite QBs can beat the big boys when it matters (and for the sake of cherry picking one playoff game, I did say 2nd round and beyond, and let's add "relatively consistently"). I also said good QBs can put up elite numbers at times, but can't consistently win when it matters.

Winning a bunch of regular season games over the course of a season and a half doesn't prove he's elite, and neither does winning a first round playoff game. For that time period, he actually fits my definition of a good QB.


*granted, the combined NFCW/NFCE in 2011 had one winning team besides SF, and they were 9-7... and I believe he only beat one team in 2011 or 2012 that made it past the first round of the playoffs in the same year... I hadn't really considered it.

so because it happened once its sure to happen again?
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Let's just keep glossing over how bad the saints d was that year.
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STOP WITH THE EXCUSES!

LMAO

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...02896033_n.png

The Saints defense was #13 in points per game (21.2)

In KC?

No. No he hasn't.

We don't have the ****ing 49'ers defense.
We don't have their TE.
We aren't willing to run the football until the ****ing 4th quarter.

You have a sample size of ONE and he's now on a completely different team with a completely different HC...

You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. He said, and I quote:

"I don't think he could win a shoot out in the playoffs. It's completely against his grain."

A shootout is completely against his grain, so he can't do it? HE DID IT.

YOU SAID IT IS COMPLETELY AGAINST HIS GRAIN. But he did it. It was a stupid statement, and false.

23rd in stats and about 14 scoring defense.

Ironically, the Giants defense was worse, and won the super bowl.

So now we have to factor in how bad the defenses were and not factor in the fact that the Saints had the number one offense, and torched the 49ers defense, leaving the offense not once, but twice to be clutch?

Im not sure what the Saints defense has to do with this. The plays still had to be made right?

They weren't the worst defense in the league......

No, this one actually could end up statistically being BETTER.

And to be honest, if you are being honest with yourself, the Chiefs have about the best defense in the AFC, and whatever defense he faces in the playoffs, wont be nearly as good as the Chiefs is.

No, it's not.

This is like expecting Derrick Blaylock to score 4 TD's every game because he did it ONE TIME.




BALLER!

I'm starting to think you suspect I'm less than honest...

hmm. Figure of speech. But, from your statement one could assume that you don't think the Chiefs defense is as good as I seem to think it is.

They are giving up 9 points a game.

Your defense has been far more dominant than the 49ers defense of 2011 was. Yeah, the same defense that gave up 27 points to Dallas, that the Chiefs just held to 16.....

Shrugs.....

299 yards by the way

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320114025

While the defense you are saying Alex doesn't have in KC, gave up 460+ yards to drew brees.......

299 yards 3 td's 2 within the last minute, right? which has never been done in NFL history? You have a link for them stats?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=320114025

Funny, different forum same inabiltiy to never get stats correct trying to make Alex look bad. Shows they know exactly what they are talking about.

4 tds including his GALLOP!!!

Defense did that one somehow. Trust me

I'm very optimistic about this defense.

If we properly used the WCO and the running game (like SF did) to chew TOP and keep the defense off the field they could be top 5.

I just don't like how Phat Andy is balancing the run/pass and working to what Smith does best. I think he's enamored with what Smith could be instead of just slowly allowing the offense to evolve as the season goes on...

And look, that may be one of my 5 favorite 49er games of all time, but im not going to pretend that Alex Smith does, or can do that EVERY game. but when it was needed, he did. And that's all that matters......

So two games in at 2&0 we're still talking about what Alex Smith did in the past? He's not a savior but he's far better then what we've had lately. 4 TDs and no INTs this year right now. I think we go 3 and 0.

I clicked the wrong link.

Totally on me.

When I clicked back to check the rushing attempts I knew the donkey punch would come before I could edit it...

Agreed. Part of me wonders how much of the offense is being predicated around Alex Smith right now due to I don't think anyone really knows how nicked up Jamaal Charles really is. And, the oline hasn't exactly been blowing open holes for him to run through.

Its been interesting to say the least. I think we will learn a lot in the next two weeks about who the Chiefs are going to be. I think to win in philly they are going to have to rely more on Charles.

LOL. Gotta love it when there are sharks in the water waiting for that ONE drop of blood right?

Im not gloating here, I was just looking. But so far his stats are so much better than Tom Brady, and Colin Kaepernicks its not even funny.

Brady is completing 52 percent of his passes.....

His receivers are JUST AWFUL THOUGH.

So before some dumbass goes, Smith>Brady, that's not what im saying.

Just giving some perspective.....

Alex is what Alex is I agree. He will look downright awful at times, and he will look completely unstoppable at times. If he could ever find consistency he would be top 5-7 in the league. Not sure if he ever will though. And by consistence I mean playing fantastic and making big time throws throughout the entire game. His play is pretty consistent for the most part all season. But yeah his highs are highs, his lows are pretty low.

Sharks don't get to complain when they get bit...

Some sharks bite back mister. By the way. From your other thread, the reason I repped bob Sutton so hard is because he is very much like Jim Johnson was, and ironically enough that is when Philly had its best defensive years.

Its fun to watch the Chiefs play defense right now.

That's the thing: he could hit top 10.

He's an excellent PA QB. He's very accurate when he has time to throw. He does not make mistakes. He will be a positive influence on the sideline. He's a cerebral QB that can read coverages and knows where the ball needs to go.

Play to THAT.

Use the run to set up play action passes. Use it to buy him time to throw.

I guess to clarify my point imagine the 95-97 Chiefs with Smith at QB.
Imagine the Garner/Watters Eagles with Smith.
We don't have to imagine the 49'ers smashmouth WCO. He's done it.
Hell, the old Denver offense with Plummer would be PERFECT for Smith.

oooohhhhhh. Good call. Alex Smith would thrive in a Shanahan offense with the bootlegs.....Great call.

Until he blows out his knee and is forced to go back in the game :rolleyes:

LMAO

In fairness, that was on that stupid read option crap.....ALex would more likely blow an Achilles.....

****in'-a right.

lol true. Well living in DC at least I don't have to hear their obnoxious fan-base talk about how amazing RG3 is all year!

Are you ****ing dense? I am NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. I am talking about your statement that he is not capable of winning a shootout in the playoffs. HE HAS.

You really need to watch what you write. Maybe you didn't mean he isn't capable of doing what he actually has done, maybe you meant he can't do it with the Chiefs, but that is NOT what you said.

He CAN win a shootout in the playoffs. As long as he wins the turnover battle by +5.

5 turnovers and he almost lost that game.:eek:

We had 8 TD passes all of last season, that is the picture perfect example of suck.

We have 4 in 2 games.

Mull it over.

Seems the extremes are a fabrication altogether though. No one is saying you or anyone has to "go all in" and pronounce Alex is the savior of KC... that he is elite and will be exceptional for the next 10 years. No one is saying any of that... can you at least recognize and appreciate that much? Most of the pro-Alex guys are only really suggesting that it is wrong to label him as a Cassell and that KC can't be successful with him. You may not be black or white in your intent, but your posts have all definitely favored the pessimistic view... and definitely comes off as an axe to grind VS a simple pat on the back, and keep doing well, Alex.

What commitment are we speaking of? If you mean commitment as in "extend him nao to a 5 year deal for 12 mil per"? Then, sure... I agree to not... and I doubt Smith really cares about that either right now. If you mean the extreme praise that I mentioned in my above response to Bear? then redundant.

I have liked most of your posts, but this just doesn't seem accurate at all. If anything, Alex over the last couple years has been MORE consistent than most QBs. Other QBs regarded as better have been far more up and down in performances... really big games mixed with really awful games. Alex has been more consistently good but not lighting things up. And how many QBs really make big time throws consistently throughout games each week?

Since this is always a big criticism of Smith....

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...ack-vs-cowboys

Now the obvious question is... if Smith is such a lousy deep passing QB, why are teams even bothering to play the safeties deep against him?

You are so stupid. Its the cover 2 douche, its suppose to force everything short.
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AS has the ability to throw the ball down the field, he just doesn't have the guts to.

He's a chickenshit.

QB's that play as scared as him don't often find success. Yeah, he won't make the big mistake, but he won't go out and win the game for you either. There will be important games when the team needs him to do just that, and it simply won't be happening because he's a coward.

Closing out the game against the cowgirls is a perfect example of this. Jamaal Charles is the real QB of this team.

Thursday will be the real test for Alex. The Eagles will put up points at home so the offense is going to have kick it into high gear. This is the type of game Alex HAS to show he can win.

There ARE other elements to a cover 2 scheme that Dallas can run. You think a pro DC is just stuck with his CBs playing the short zone as his safeties split the field in deep halves? You really think Dallas plays that exact way every snap? You really think a pro DC wouldn't adjust to the strengths and weaknesses of the opponents offense and personnel? and I am the stupid one? :doh!:

Not sure I agree with you a 100% Big Cat. I think this is the best D the Eagles will face. Im not so sure they will put up a lot of points. Also if there is one thing Smith is a master of its the Long Long sustained drives. Even if they dont turn into points. He has been the best the last couple season at Time of possession. Im not sure where all this" He has to show he can win stuff" is coming from. He is 22-6 in his last 28 games including the playoffs. The Qb get s the blame for loses and the glory for wins. Thats just the way it is. KC can dream an dream for an Aaron Rogers type of QB, its just not who he is, but those W's just keep piling up. Keep rollin KC you guys look like a real deal football team, even without the 300yrd passing games everyone wants so bad. Ol Smitty still looks good in Red!!! Happy for you guys.

Spot on.

Agreed.

We'll see, but I get the feeling this week will be the week he can shut up the naysayers such as myself that worry about what happens with the d gives up over 20 points.

Every freaking team would be milking clock in that situation with their run game. Every single one.

It's not spot on. It's nowhere close to being on point. It's frankly absurd.

I just hope KC doesn't sign him to a big contract as their long time starter because people will see eventually that he is very limited. Even with all the wins, Harbaugh saw it.

Alex's bread and butter is let the defense set the tone. If they keep the games close...the Chiefs will always be in games. If the D is ordinary. Good luck. It's not a knock on the guy, it's just not who he is. Fanboys have a hard time accepting that.