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Hoover 05-11-2014 07:55 AM

I'm kind of excited about the Chiefs OLine. I'm glad its young. I'm glad we don't have a bunch of guys on their way out of the league starting.

Our LT was the first pick int he draft. I think having a year under his belt will make a big difference. Our RT was a project, and there is no reason to think he can't get it done.

The only reason we have a hole at guard is because Jon Aasomoah didn't really develop into the player we thought he would be. That said, he still got a hell of a pay day. I'm glad we didn't step up and play big money to he or Schwarz. When you look at who this team needs to pay, those two guards were not a priority.

Of all the bitching about Pioli, the one thing I really liked about his is that he always used a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a lineman. I think that's a smart strategy.

chiefzilla1501 05-11-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SPATCH (Post 10622680)
Not really worried about the OL. You don't need a world beater OL in today's football. Just need something solid.

Fisher - Allen - Hudson - Johnson - Stephenson

Solid enough to me.

*some of you guys are sleeping on my dude Rishaw.

I don't think that's that solid enough for me. But agree 100% that we don't need world-beaters. At least we know we're getting away from a world where we are going to reach and overpay for offensive linemen. That's uncomfortable right now, but over time will be a good thing.

jd1020 05-11-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10622703)
I'm glad we didn't step up and play big money to he or Schwarz.

Big money to Schwartz? 4 years - $16mil. How on earth would they have been able to swing such a gigantic contract?!

Hoover 05-11-2014 08:32 AM

4 million a year

chiefzilla1501 05-11-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10622748)
Big money to Schwartz? 4 years - $16mil. How on earth would they have been able to swing such a gigantic contract?!

You know how many players on Denver's roster were paid $4M or more going into this year? 4.

These small contracts add up.

Hoover 05-11-2014 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10622755)
You know how many players on Denver's roster were paid $4M or more going into this year? 4.

These small contracts add up.

Exactly. You start throwing around 4 million here and 4 million a year here and the next thing you know signing guys like Houston, Poe, and Berry become difficult.

This isn't baseball.

Teams have to be creative where they spend money. Look at the Seahawks and 49ers, they are able to build impressive teams because they don't have pay big money to their QB's YET. This is why building an offensive live through the draft is smart. Teams need rookie contracts to be able to pay their star players.

jd1020 05-11-2014 08:44 AM

Schwartz would have been the straw that broke the camels back, yet Joe Mays...

Hoover 05-11-2014 08:50 AM

He didn't sign a 4 year deal worth 16 million.

Mays signed 2 years for 6 million.

We can get out of the Mays deal without much pain, Schwartz not so much.

jd1020 05-11-2014 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10622774)
He didn't sign a 4 year deal worth 16 million.

Mays signed 2 years for 6 million.

We can get out of the Mays deal without much pain, Schwartz not so much.

Mays' cap # is a whopping 400k less than Schwartz this year and has a whopping $2mil less in guaranteed money. The savings are just insane!!!! Especially considering you get a guy as good as Joe Mays. He's sure to finish the year and not cause 50 penalties a game.

SPATCH 05-11-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10622738)
I don't think that's that solid enough for me. But agree 100% that we don't need world-beaters. At least we know we're getting away from a world where we are going to reach and overpay for offensive linemen. That's uncomfortable right now, but over time will be a good thing.

I might be in the minority when I say this, but I expect the line to be just as good as it was last season. Maybe better.

nychief 05-11-2014 08:55 AM

Young guys have to step up, that is what happens with good teams.

Hoover 05-11-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10622776)
Mays' cap # is a whopping 400k less than Schwartz this year and has a whopping $2mil less in guaranteed money. The savings are just insane!!!! Especially considering you get a guy as good as Joe Mays. He's sure to finish the year and not cause 50 penalties a game.

yeah, because he has a two year deal and Schwartz has a 4 year deal. You can't just look at the 2014 cap hit, you have to look at the entirety of the contract.

You sound like the dumb ass that goes into a car dealership and negotiates a deal based entirely on the monthly payment and not the total price of the car.

chiefzilla1501 05-11-2014 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10622774)
He didn't sign a 4 year deal worth 16 million.

Mays signed 2 years for 6 million.

We can get out of the Mays deal without much pain, Schwartz not so much.

That's the way I see it. If you look at the Chiefs' free agency strategy, they seem to be looking for a lot of stopgaps. Fasano, Avery, DeVito, Daniel, Mays, Sean Smith... he seems to want free agents who can fill in for a year or two, but who can ultimately be replaced when the draft or bargain bin finds a replacement. That means he doesn't really care if they're great, just solid enough to not be a complete liability. Over time, I'd expect to see a lot less Joe Mays type contracts.

You're absolutely right. Joe Mays was brought in purely as a stopgap. It wouldn't surprise me if we canned him next year. If we signed Schwartz, it would be intended to be a long-term contract.

htismaqe 05-11-2014 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SPATCH (Post 10622777)
I might be in the minority when I say this, but I expect the line to be just as good as it was last season. Maybe better.

Eric Fisher HAS to be better.

If he plays better, they'll be ok.

If he plays anywhere near his potential, they could get VERY good.

jd1020 05-11-2014 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10622789)
yeah, because he has a two year deal and Schwartz has a 4 year deal. You can't just look at the 2014 cap hit, you have to look at the entirety of the contract.

You sound like the dumb ass that goes into a car dealership and negotiates a deal based entirely on the monthly payment and not the total price of the car.

Joe Mays' cap hit next year will only be 900k less. Keep trying to act like Schwartz got a monster deal and we couldn't have possibly fit him in the budget.

Cut Mays next year, save $3mil. Cut Schwartz next year, save $2.5mil.

Just STFU already.


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