Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062591)

Hey - this ain't Dane here, I'll take a look at whatever you've got (Sorry, Dane...)

The problem with Wilson's arm strength is one of pure leverage. On intermediate routes, he can't get on top of the ball and fire into seams. Watch his 'bullets' on intermediate routes - the nose is up on most of them. That gives something of a float effect to the ball and makes it easier for DBs to drive on them and knock them away.

It's less of a deep ball concern, where you're putting so much arch on it that it's getting over the line fairly easily anyway, than it is an out route or even crossing pattern problem. He can't get on top of the ball and drive it down into areas. It may only cost him 1/2 a second on a 15 yard pass, but that 1/2 a second is enough to get it batted away. He has to be much crisper and much cleaner with his decisions than a guy like Jones or even Barkley (though Barkley's also a little shortish) would have to be because they can buy a little time on those routes by getting up on their toes, getting on top of the ball and rifling it downhill. Wilson only has that option if his line has given him a clear line of sight and throwing lane, and if they did so at the exact moment that his WR comes into that lane. It happens, but it's certainly not ideal.

That's actually where I was incredibly impressed with Jones Saturday. That kid can throw a rocket 20 yards up the seam in his sleep. He can stay on top of the ball and drive it through coverage. Because of his height, the ball spends most of its flight on a downward plane and it just sticks right into those small windows. DBs have very little chance to make a play on the ball if he doesn't telegraph it.

Unfortunately, sometimes he does. That's where Jones has to develop his game. His physical skills, however, are immense.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062591)

Hey - this ain't Dane here, I'll take a look at whatever you've got (Sorry, Dane...)

The problem with Wilson's arm strength is one of pure leverage. On intermediate routes, he can't get on top of the ball and fire into seams. Watch his 'bullets' on intermediate routes - the nose is up on most of them. That gives something of a float effect to the ball and makes it easier for DBs to drive on them and knock them away.

It's less of a deep ball concern, where you're putting so much arch on it that it's getting over the line fairly easily anyway, than it is an out route or even crossing pattern problem. He can't get on top of the ball and drive it down into areas. It may only cost him 1/2 a second on a 15 yard pass, but that 1/2 a second is enough to get it batted away. He has to be much crisper and much cleaner with his decisions than a guy like Jones or even Barkley (though Barkley's also a little shortish) would have to be because they can buy a little time on those routes by getting up on their toes, getting on top of the ball and rifling it downhill. Wilson only has that option if his line has given him a clear line of sight and throwing lane, and if they did so at the exact moment that his WR comes into that lane. It happens, but it's certainly not ideal.

That's actually where I was incredibly impressed with Jones Saturday. That kid can throw a rocket 20 yards up the seam in his sleep. He can stay on top of the ball and drive it through coverage. Because of his height, the ball spends most of its flight on a downward plane and it just sticks right into those small windows. DBs have very little chance to make a play on the ball if he doesn't telegraph it.

Unfortunately, sometimes he does. That's where Jones has to develop his game. His physical skills, however, are immense.

Originally Posted by Saul Too (Post 9062608)

What you are describing is a height issue, not an arm strength issue.

Originally Posted by Saul Too (Post 9062608)

What you are describing is a height issue, not an arm strength issue.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062659)

Wilson could do it if he developed uncanny accuracy and timing, but I don't think he will.

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9062681)

I think Carroll's belief in a WCO is a perfect fit, as it will require him to work on those skills and develop them.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9062693)

Carroll's offense could work wonders for him, I'll give you that. I'm mostly thinking of him as a prospect, not as a QB in a particular scheme.

He's being allowed to roll out a little bit and use his legs to find the space and generate that leverage by simply moving around the mess in the center of the field.

If you aren't going to utilize a west coast scheme, however, I think you'd struggle pretty mightily w/ Wilson as your QB.

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9056429)

Thought I should Gif this thread the **** up!


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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9062762)

If I were gonna be sad about missing out on a prospect, it would be jarvis jones.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9062779)

They are both great players, no doubt.

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9062793)

Throw in Mingo, Lotulelei, Hankins and Demontre Moore, and there are a TON of front seven guys that should be strong considerations in the top 10.