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BossChief 10-13-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9008857)
I'm not with your tank the season to draft a quarterback philosophy. If we happen to lose so be it, but piss on that wanting it to happen. I know the quarterback position needs to be upgraded. Playing for the draft isn't the way to do it.

posts like this deserve Landry Jones

NJChiefsFan 10-13-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9008857)
I'm not with your tank the season to draft a quarterback philosophy. If we happen to lose so be it, but piss on that wanting it to happen. I know the quarterback position needs to be upgraded. Playing for the draft isn't the way to do it.

If Quinn does decent and saves Pioli's job, we may be looking at him next year. Thus, no upgrade at the QB position. If you can't root against your team thats fine, but I don't think the statement that "Quinn doing decent is bad" to be stupid. Not at all.

hometeam 10-13-2012 06:55 PM

Great article. So which one of you is he?

DeezNutz 10-13-2012 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9008857)
I'm not with your tank the season to draft a quarterback philosophy. If we happen to lose so be it, but piss on that wanting it to happen. I know the quarterback position needs to be upgraded. Playing for the draft isn't the way to do it.

If the Chiefs had a GM who was creative, aggressive, and competent, I might be inclined to agree. Alas, we do not have such an executive. Thus, the team must be forced into making the right decision, and losing is the best way to ensure this.

J Diddy 10-13-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9008874)
If the Chiefs had a GM who was creative, aggressive, and competent, I might be inclined to agree. Alas, we do not have such an executive. Thus, the team must be forced into making the right decision, and losing is the best way to ensure this.

Don't get my wrong. Pioli should go and he's done enough or not enough (depending on your perspective) already to warrant that.

FringeNC 10-13-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9008788)
Quinn will complete 55 percent of his passes for 6 YPA and we'll lose 24-17 instead of 34-10

I'll be interested in the game-plan. I'm guessing Daboll will have way more confidence in Quinn, and we will actually throw the ball more than 4 times in the first half. Not saying Quinn will be good, but I think he will at least resemble a low-end NFL QB, something Cassel could not do.

htismaqe 10-13-2012 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 9008953)
I'll be interested in the game-plan. I'm guessing Daboll will have way more confidence in Quinn, and we will actually throw the ball more than 4 times in the first half. Not saying Quinn will be good, but I think he will at least resemble a low-end NFL QB, something Cassel could not do.

No way he will have more confidence in Quinn.

Coogs 10-13-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9009036)
No way he will have more confidence in Quinn.

I think we already saw it. First 3rd and 7 Quinn faced, he threw a strike to Bowe fo a 20 yard gain.

Hammock Parties 10-13-2012 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9009041)
I think we already saw it. First 3rd and 7 Quinn faced, he threw a strike to Bowe fo a 20 yard gain.

Because Cassel didn't do that twice in the opener at all.

BossChief 10-13-2012 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9009036)
No way he will have more confidence in Quinn.

As Ive tried to illustrate, Romeo doesnt want Cassel out there, either...for that to happen after the bye, Quinn needs to protect the ball but also be effective when he does put it in the air.

Hammock Parties 10-13-2012 07:55 PM

IMO, likely, better QB play would just expose other areas of the team in close games.

Like Stanford Routt getting owned on a game-winning drive by the other team.

Hell, we just had a close game and the defense choked like a bitch with the game on the line.

So there you go.

BossChief 10-13-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9009056)
IMO, likely, better QB play would just expose other areas of the team in close games.

Like Stanford Routt getting owned on a game-winning drive by the other team.

Whats his and Carrs PFF coverage and overall rankings now?

htismaqe 10-13-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9009048)
Because Cassel didn't do that twice in the opener at all.

Exactly.

htismaqe 10-13-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9009055)
As Ive tried to illustrate, Romeo doesnt want Cassel out there, either...for that to happen after the bye, Quinn needs to protect the ball but also be effective when he does put it in the air.

It doesn't matter what Romeo wants, he knew the conditions of employment when he signed on. Cassel will be back.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-13-2012 08:00 PM

Good place for this

http://www2.tbo.com/sports/sports/20...pes-ar-532377/

TAMPA --
It's the NFL's great equalizer.

Always has been, always will be.

Turnovers.

Even head coaches who detest statistics have come to embrace turnover margin as pro football's ultimate tipping point.

Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano has obsessed on ball security since he arrived in Tampa nine months ago. Today's opponent drives that point home with more conviction than any Schiano speech.

"They're in the top 5 in just about every offensive category,'' Bucs safety Ronde Barber said of the Chiefs, "but all those turnovers are losing games for them.''

There are several reasons behind Kansas City's 1-4 start, but you begin with the 19 giveaways and work backward from there.

Think about it.

Nineteen giveaways in five games. That's nine more turnovers than the 49ers committed all of last season.

"They're happening in a lot of different areas and for a lot of different reasons,'' frustrated Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said. "Two weeks ago, we get the ball ripped out a couple of times. Last week, we dropped the ball and fumbled a quarterback-center exchange. We tip balls up in the air and they get intercepted. Sometimes, we throw the ball in a bad place.''

These bumbling Chiefs are on pace to challenge pro football's record for most turnovers (65) in a season, set by the Denver Broncos of the American Football League in 1961, President Kennedy's first year in office.

If Kansas City ends up setting a new mark, it's unlikely Crennel will be around in 2013 to clean up the mess.

Once again, there is a powerful correlation between NFL ball security and scoreboard success. The top seven teams in turnover ratio – the Patriots, Falcons, Bears, Texans, Redskins, Ravens and 49ers – are a combined 27-8 through Week 5.

The bottom 14 clubs are a combined 24-44.

"You look at the Chiefs offensively and the only thing they're missing right now is the way they're giving the ball away,'' Schiano said. "If they stop doing that, the most important number, points scored, will go through the roof.''

With quarterback Matt Cassel out today with a concussion, Crennel is hoping Brady Quinn can do better.

Cassel is personally responsible for 13 of Kansas City's 19 giveaways (9 interceptions, 4 fumbles lost underrmining an offense that generates 402 yards per game.

The Patriots are tied with the Falcons for the league lead in turnover differential (plus-10) and coach Bill Belichick said giveaways come in all shapes and sizes.

"Certainly turnovers come in different categories,'' he said. "Some of them are just mistakes by the offense that the defense doesn't really have anything to do with, like fumbled snaps or a pass that goes off a receiver's hands and gets batted up in the air.

"Then there are other plays where the defense reads the quarterback and jumps the route, or strips the ball from the runner or receiver. I'd say there are a number of opportunities in most games for the defense to at least get the ball out or put pressure on it. It's an awareness of those opportunities and then taking advantage of them when they occur.''

You can just see Crennel nodding his head and thinking, "That's easy for you to say, Mr. Bill … you've got Tom Brady under center.''

The Bucs have done well with a plus-3 turnover ratio, especially compared to Kansas City's absurd minus-15 mark.

Tampa Bay has lost 12 consecutive games when losing the turnover battle and the ball security matchup appears to be in their favor today.

"Holding onto the football has to be your No. 1 objective on offense,'' Barber said. "You simply can't overstate its importance.''


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