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RedandGold 11-30-2004 10:21 PM
If Rolle and Johnson are off of the board, I wouldn't be opposed to taking Williams. However, I would rather see us use the pick on defense.

Sure-Oz 11-30-2004 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by suds79
Newman - Real good rookie season, struggling in 2nd season. Give the guy a break. He might come back next year and tear it up.

As much as I love Newman, I'm pretty sure Rolle will be graded as a better player than Terrence.

And playing at Miami, the guy certainly has more experience playing against the best talent in the country. (Completely shut down Larry Fitzgerald last year)

But there really is no wrong anser here between Johnson & Rolle. Everybody's so afraid of Carl messing up another pick, that's why I'm saying we need to be in a position where it's a no brainer pick. This way, Carl can't mess it up.

If we're drafting anywhere from 3-6 and either Rolle or Johnson are there, you take them. That's a no brainer pick.
Yeah either way I think I will be happy, let's hope we are in the position to get either one cause we need both of them.

morphius 11-30-2004 10:27 PM
Of course well the Chiefs take Johnson, they have what, 4 MLB on the team aready that they think are pretty good, do they dump them and pick Johnson when there is a need at CB? Oh well, hopefully we get someone decent that the Chiefs geniuses will decide is good enough to play right now.

I think a big part of who we take may also depend on the agent the players chose.

philfree 11-30-2004 10:32 PM
ESPN Draft Tracker (it's part on 'in') has Rolle as the 2nd highest rated prospect with a 98 rating. Interestingly the highest rated prospect is Heath Miller, TE Virginia with a 102 rating. Johnson has a rating of 96 which makes him the #2 defensive prospect. All that probably means sqawt but it's early draft info.

PhilFree :arrow:

Saulbadguy 11-30-2004 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree
ESPN Draft Tracker (it's part on 'in') has Rolle as the 2nd highest rated prospect with a 98 rating. Interestingly the highest rated prospect is Heath Miller, TE Virginia with a 102 rating. Johnson has a rating of 96 which makes him the #2 defensive prospect. All that probably means sqawt but it's early draft info.

PhilFree :arrow:
Great. Heath Miller, welcome to Kansas City.

1adam1238 11-30-2004 10:58 PM
I think DV and CP have a plan for our first round draft pick........the answer is: a kicker

alanm 11-30-2004 11:16 PM
fuck YES!!!! Did you really need to ask such a silly question?:)

Mr. Laz 12-01-2004 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13
I'd much rather have Derrick Johnson than any of those guys, I think he may be the best player available in this draft... our corners would look 1000 times better if they didn't have to defend people by themselves with no safety help 30 yards down the field because we don't get enough pass rush. I think Derrick Johnson can be a force rushing off the edge, his closing speed and ability is sick. I think Gunther can turn him into a QB killer. I'd address the safeties in the secondary before the corners... I never thought I'd say that.
the reason are safeties are back is because our corners can't cover a 90 year old grandma for more than 1.2 seconds.


our pass rush sucks because our coverage is so weak we can't afford to take chances.

tk13 12-01-2004 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lazarus
the reason are safeties are back is because our corners can't cover a 90 year old grandma for more than 1.2 seconds.


our pass rush sucks because our coverage is so weak we can't afford to take chances.
I don't know about that... they aren't all world corners or anything but when you have stuff like Joe Horn splitting your safeties right down the middle for a 50 yard TD late in the 4th quarter there's a problem. Jaws did a pretty good breakdown a week ago and he really blamed our safeties for the pass defense problems. I'd rather put a veteran than a rookie in that situation and have the young guy at LB. Not that I'd have anything against having a guy like Rolle at all, I wouldn't complain, but given a preference I'd take the stud LB.

The Bad Guy 12-01-2004 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by morphius
Of course well the Chiefs take Johnson, they have what, 4 MLB on the team aready that they think are pretty good, do they dump them and pick Johnson when there is a need at CB? Oh well, hopefully we get someone decent that the Chiefs geniuses will decide is good enough to play right now.

I think a big part of who we take may also depend on the agent the players chose.
Please tell me 1 linebacker we have that's any good.

I know the Chiefs think Kawika is good, but he sucks.

Barber is going to be gone next year.

Rolle, Williams or Johnson and I'm a happy camper.

Ugly Duck 12-01-2004 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by philfree
ESPN Draft Tracker (it's part on 'in') has Rolle as the 2nd highest rated prospect with a 98 rating.
Draft Position board has KC picking at #5 and Oakland picking at #8. Mel's Big Board has 'em ranked:

1. Mike Williams Jr. WR USC
Terrific combo of size and strength.

2. Carnell Williams Sr. RB Auburn
Very creative and deceptively strong runner.

3. Ronnie Brown Sr. RB Auburn
A complete, explosive back who does it all.

4. Cedric Benson Sr. RB Texas
Four straight years with over 1,000 yards.

5. Dan Cody Sr. DT Oklahoma
A fiery, intense end who's coming on strong

6. Erasmus James Sr. DE Wisconsin
Outstanding pass rusher who can play the run.

7. Derrick Johnson Sr. LB Texas
Strength, speed and a nose for the ball.

8. Travis Johnson Sr. DT Fla. St.
Vastly improved and a dominant performer.

9. Antrel Rolle Sr. CB Miami
Great in coverage and a good tackler.

10. Braylon Edwards Sr. WR Michigan
Has the size, speed and athleticism to dominate.

Hammock Parties 12-01-2004 02:22 AM
My want list:

1. Derrick Johnson

2. Erasmus James

3. Mattias Whathisname

4. Antrel Rolle

5. Braylon Edwards

6. Mike Williams

The Chiefs SHOULD be able to get ONE of those guys, right?

Rausch 12-01-2004 02:29 AM
I'll go with "yes."

Fairplay 12-01-2004 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy
Please tell me 1 linebacker we have that's any good.




Ummmmmm.....Can't think of any.

HolmeZz 12-01-2004 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by morphius
Of course well the Chiefs take Johnson, they have what, 4 MLB on the team aready that they think are pretty good, do they dump them and pick Johnson when there is a need at CB?.
Derrick's not a MLB.


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