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Cannibal 12-23-2004 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
True, but so can a LB or CB. We have a "pass rushing DE" in Jared Allen. I believe having him will open up more opportunties for our DT's and the other DE to get more pressure on the QB. Hell, its already happening. The last few games i've been watching, our D-Line is performing fairly well, and they are getting pressure.

Our LB's however..when they are sent on a blitz, they don't do shit. They get caught up behind our D-line, or just get blocked out. Our LB's totally suck.

I agree. But as I said in my previous post, DE is one the few positions in which a rookie can contribute right away. I do not recommend drafting a rookie corner and starting him in a year that is supposed to be SB or bust.

If you want to draft a MLB, I'd be fine with that, but we had better also sign a pass rusher. Hicks' lack of production has killed this D the last couple of years.

We need a new start at DE, MLB and CB. If Carl can come up with legit play makers at each of those positions (tall order) then we at least have a fighting chance.

Cannibal 12-23-2004 04:21 PM

Great D ALWAYS starts with the a good/great pass rush from both end positions. It makes a CB's life MUCH easier, they won't have to cover for so long.

See DT/Neil Smith.

Saulbadguy 12-23-2004 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal
I agree. But as I said in my previous post, DE is one the few positions in which a rookie can contribute right away. I do not recommend drafting a rookie corner and starting him in a year that is supposed to be SB or bust.

If you want to draft a MLB, I'd be fine with that, but we had better also sign a pass rusher. Hicks' lack of production has killed this D the last couple of years.

We need a new start at DE, MLB and CB. If Carl can come up with legit play makers at each of those positions (tall order) then we at least have a fighting chance.

I agree with that sentiment, that DE is one of the few positions that will contribute. However, so is a LB, and a WR. I wouldn't be upset with a CB either, but with the "new" rules and all, we might be better off signing a veteran CB.

Draft a MLB? Hell no. There are none worth taking in the 1st round. We'd just be drafting another 2nd round MLB. Lets see if Maslowski can come back, and see how Kawika Mitchell and Monty Beisel progress. I wouldn't object to signing a MLB either.

Saulbadguy 12-23-2004 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal
Great D ALWAYS starts with the a good/great pass rush from both end positions. It makes a CB's life MUCH easier, they won't have to cover for so long.

See DT/Neil Smith.

Derrick Thomas was a LB, that was often rushing the QB in the 3-4.

We aren't running a 3-4.

Cannibal 12-23-2004 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
I agree with that sentiment, that DE is one of the few positions that will contribute. However, so is a LB, and a WR. I wouldn't be upset with a CB either, but with the "new" rules and all, we might be better off signing a veteran CB.

Draft a MLB? Hell no. There are none worth taking in the 1st round. We'd just be drafting another 2nd round MLB. Lets see if Maslowski can come back, and see how Kawika Mitchell and Monty Beisel progress. I wouldn't object to signing a MLB either.

I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Maz as long as we can get new studs at CB and DE.

Cannibal 12-23-2004 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Derrick Thomas was a LB, that was often rushing the QB in the 3-4.

We aren't running a 3-4.

That's true. But often he played as DE.

The bottom line is the same. Two pass rushers are better than one and can camoflage a shitty secondary.

Saulbadguy 12-23-2004 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal
That's true. But often he played as DE.

The bottom line is the same. Two pass rushers are better than one and can camoflage a shitty secondary.

I'm just saying, I think we have a pretty good pass rush out of our D-Line now. I wouldn't mind getting another veteran DE, but I don't think i'd like to draft one, at least in the first round.

Our LB's arent picking up the sack when our d-line does get a good pass rush off. The QB just steps up in the pocket past it, and our LB's sit there with their thumbs up their collective asses.

Cannibal 12-23-2004 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
I'm just saying, I think we have a pretty good pass rush out of our D-Line now. I wouldn't mind getting another veteran DE, but I don't think i'd like to draft one, at least in the first round.

Our LB's arent picking up the sack when our d-line does get a good pass rush off. The QB just steps up in the pocket past it, and our LB's sit there with their thumbs up their collective asses.

I don't think the last couple of games are indicative of the season for our D-line. Hicks hasn't played very well for the last 3 seasons. I know he's a sentimental character guy. But his performance doesn't justify his starting position. We desperately need to get a play maker in his spot.

They should keep Hicks, but let him be a backup. The performance of the D would dramatically improve by getting a decent player at his spot.

BigChiefFan 12-23-2004 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal
I don't think the last couple of games are indicative of the season for our D-line. Hicks hasn't played very well for the last 3 seasons. I know he's a sentimental character guy. But his performance doesn't justify his starting position. We desperately need to get a play maker in his spot.

They should keep Hicks, but let him be a backup. The performance of the D would dramatically improve by getting a decent player at his spot.

I agree. Sign me up fro the Abraham camp if he becomes
available. Hicks gives it his all, but his all isn't good enough.

Cannibal 12-23-2004 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan
I agree. Sign me up fro the Abraham camp if he becomes
available. Hicks gives it his all, but his all isn't good enough.

If we can't draft a stud, I'd like to see this scenario as well. But can or will Carl pull it off?!

Thig Lyfe 12-23-2004 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal
Do you think any of them are capable of 10 sacks in their rookie year?

Erasmus James is capable of 10 sacks in his first game.

Cannibal 12-23-2004 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadWolf
Erasmus James is capable of 10 sacks in his first game.

I guess I am going to have to look this guy up.

royr17 12-23-2004 05:15 PM

The dude will be gone by the time we pick

royr17 12-23-2004 05:16 PM

Oh and by the way the new mock draft on NFL Countdown has us taking a Safety from Oklahoma in the 2nd round named Brodney Pool, the dude is tall, he is 6'4" and weight 228 lbs.

Cannibal 12-23-2004 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by royr17
The dude will be gone by the time we pick

Maybe we can trade up as we did for Tony G.

I know it's rare, but Carl has actually traded up in the past.


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