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burt 08-18-2006 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by tiptap
Pre season games are not meaningless. There is statistical correlation between overwheling play in the preseason and regular season playing the same team. That is the correlation of play between dominating a team in the pre season (when the starters are in the first quarter) and playing and beating that team in the regular season is on level with the correlation of dominating and winning both games with interdivisional rival.

So there is reason to be concerned. But as the optimist I think this is something that is circulating within NFL training camps. That the preseason play IS the determinator for play in season for some coaches. The result is that more diverse play calling, blitzing is taking place. And the energy level is pumped up.

This is what I saw. I saw a team pumped up to play with all the nervous energy of a real game vs the Chiefs that were meshing things still and not focused upon their opponent. The first two games were away games. Let's see how it goes next week.

We now have Shields out so we have 4 out of 5 new lineman. Wiegman has always played beyond his physical skills and therefore is not going to be able to take pressure off the others. I suspect there will be some sputtering at the beginning of the season.
I agree...to a point. If we were returning with 90% of our personel from last year, I would expect to steamroll, when our starters are in. With as many changes that the Chiefs have made, we are evaluating strengthe...IN A GAME.

We are seeing the downfalls and weakness of our new personel...and will be tweaking. I believe you will see a different level of play in the last pre-season game. You will see a significantly different level of play comr regular season. But you may not see much more in the next preseason game...

FloridaMan88 08-18-2006 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly
the cover 2 isnt rocket surgery.

Coaches are there to teach players to be in position to make plays.
Players are there to do there job by staying in position and making those plays.

I havent seen any of that in two games. Be it from bad coaching of poor headed personel or both.

regardless it still falls on the coaching staff.(if herm is the tampa 2 god, they shouldnt look this bad)
I still don't get what people are expecting when they say the Chiefs are just holding back on defense until the regular season. Its not like on offense where you can go very vanilla in your playcalling, use of different formations, all the shifting and motion, etc. More blitzing? The Chiefs blitzed several times last night and failed to get pressure on Manning.

Mecca 08-18-2006 08:55 AM
We don't have the personel to play cover 2.........Getting no pressure, especially no pressure up the middle is a sure fire way to get owned in that defense. I'm sure we'll see it numerous times this year.

4th and Long 08-18-2006 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88
I still don't get what people are expecting when they say the Chiefs are just holding back on defense until the regular season. Its not like on offense where you can go very vanilla in your playcalling, use of different formations, all the shifting and motion, etc.
Actually, it is just exactly like that and if you knew the first thing about football, which you obviously don't, you would have thought better before typing that, which you didn't.

rad 08-18-2006 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by eChief
You either have to be blind or stupid to think that this was a good showing even for pre-season.

If I were you I'd find another board to post on. I hear <a href="http://chiefsplanet.com">WPI</a> needs members.

Try reading the guy's post.

No one said anything about a good showing.

Also, you may want to get your post count a little higher before suggesting other posters "find another board to post on".

Take a hike, touch-hole.

Fish 08-18-2006 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by eChief
You either have to be blind or stupid to think that this was a good showing even for pre-season.

If I were you I'd find another board to post on. I hear <a href="http://chiefsplanet.com">WPI</a> needs members.
Where the fuck did I ever say it was a good showing dipshit? If you'll read past your own egotistical posts you'll see that I've been pointing out several positions that aren't looking good..... I admitted from the end of the first PS game that it wasn't a good showing....

But what you're still failing to understand is this is PRESEASON.... we lost every preseason game last year and won 10. The fucking sky is not falling.....

And you have 14 idiotic posts..... you better get a grip before trying to tell me to find a different board.....

FringeNC 08-18-2006 10:07 AM
Playing "vanilla" is no excuse. We played a base 4-3. Nothing bizarre that we'd never see in the regular season. It's the D we will see the most in regular season. It's the D we'll see on 1st and 10. One might make the argument that it's not the best D to play against 3 WR sets. Okay, fine. But that extra LB (as opposed to playing nickel) in there against a WR should mean we have no problem stopping the run. The Giants ran all over us.

We have many plausible excuses for the offense, and past history to fall back on. The D is another matter. I was livid when we retained Gunther because I thought he was the problem on D, and am still convinced he is.

The Bad Guy 08-18-2006 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88
I still don't get what people are expecting when they say the Chiefs are just holding back on defense until the regular season. Its not like on offense where you can go very vanilla in your playcalling, use of different formations, all the shifting and motion, etc. More blitzing? The Chiefs blitzed several times last night and failed to get pressure on Manning.
Stunts, coverages, different blitzes, zone schemes.

I wouldn't expect a brain like you to figure that out though.

dirk digler 08-18-2006 10:18 AM
Petro is really ripping Gunther. This is the make or break year for Gun.

He is really going off on the DE's just crashing the line without even looking where the ball is.

Fish 08-18-2006 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler
Petro is really ripping Gunther. This is the make or break year for Gun.

He is really going off on the DE's just crashing the line without even looking where the ball is.
I think that one's warranted..... Hicks looked horrible again....

dirk digler 08-18-2006 10:23 AM
Petro is also ripping Gun for why when the Giants were on the 10 yard line that Kawika would drop half way into the endzone leaving the whole middle open. IT is not like they are going to throw the bomb.

ROFL

Fish 08-18-2006 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler
Petro is also ripping Gun for why when the Giants were on the 10 yard line that Kawika would drop half way into the endzone leaving the whole middle open. IT is not like they are going to throw the bomb.

ROFL
Everyone was playing off the line too far.... Even Law and Surtain were giving cushion underneath.

dirk digler 08-18-2006 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Fish
Everyone was playing off the line too far.... Even Law and Surtain were giving cushion underneath.
Typical Gunther IMO. He did this all last year as well. Hopefully they won't during the regular season but so far I am not encouraged.

FringeNC 08-18-2006 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler
Petro is also ripping Gun for why when the Giants were on the 10 yard line that Kawika would drop half way into the endzone leaving the whole middle open. IT is not like they are going to throw the bomb.

ROFL
:shake:

If Gunther only was allowed to choose his own assistant coaches....It's the DV cronie secondary coach that is the problem.

Coogs 08-18-2006 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly
the cover 2 isnt rocket surgery.

Coaches are there to teach players to be in position to make plays.
Players are there to do there job by staying in position and making those plays.

I havent seen any of that in two games. Be it from bad coaching of poor headed personel or both.

regardless it still falls on the coaching staff.(if herm is the tampa 2 god, they shouldnt look this bad)
There has been some recent discussion that thsi defense really isn't a true cover 2, but some sort of "hybrid" type defense that is a mix of the cover 2 that Herm wants to run, and the slant defense that Gun prefers.


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