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htismaqe 02-19-2007 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC
Mike Martz.....


Wait they have both coached in superbowls....


Why hasnt Marty and Herm?

NFC West <<<<< AFC East and AFC West

Reerun_KC 02-19-2007 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
NFC West <<<<< AFC East and AFC West


Damn, Good point.

2112 02-19-2007 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv
Yep, our Offenslive line was horrible, He had no choice but to play conservative. Just take alook at how many sacks we gave up. Oline was that bad.

It's more about being predictable rather than being conservative..the Chiefs didn't try anything different until they were behind by more than 2 scores late in the 3rd quarter(all they did was spread them out and did more play action)..and then they zoomed down the field to score a touchdown..then,thats when Herm said ''we can't block them'' in obvious passing situations..I saw no play action passing until they were behind late in the 3rd quarter of that game..so..Herm or the OC(whatever) put the Chiefs in a position to where ''they couldn't block them''.

htismaqe 02-19-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
It's more about being predictable rather than being conservative..the Chiefs didn't try anything different until they were behind by more than 2 scores late in the 3rd quarter(all they did was spread them out and did more play action)..and then they zoomed down the field to score a touchdown..then,thats when Herm said ''we can't block them'' in obvious passing situations..I saw no play action passing until they were behind late in the 3rd quarter of that game..so..Herm or the OC(whatever) put the Chiefs in a position to where ''they couldn't block them''.

Playaction passes only work when the other is reacting to the run. Indy's base defense had Sanders in the box, so running playaction probably wouldn't have been the panacea it's being made out to be...

2112 02-19-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Playaction passes only work when the other is reacting to the run. Indy's base defense had Sanders in the box, so running playaction probably wouldn't have been the panacea it's being made out to be...

It worked when they got behind by more than 2 scores late in the 3rd quarter(they were still in the base defense until the Chiefs spread them out)..they had Gonzalez running routes instead of blocking and the Chiefs went right down the field..and..if you supposedly can't block these guys head on(which I've heard hundreds of times),why run right into a 9 man wall?We all know that didn't work.

Archie Bunker 02-19-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
It's more about being predictable rather than being conservative..the Chiefs didn't try anything different until they were behind by more than 2 scores late in the 3rd quarter(all they did was spread them out and did more play action)..and then they zoomed down the field to score a touchdown..then,thats when Herm said ''we can't block them'' in obvious passing situations..I saw no play action passing until they were behind late in the 3rd quarter of that game..so..Herm or the OC(whatever) put the Chiefs in a position to where ''they couldn't block them''.

It wasn't just run, run, pass, punt like everyone makes it out to be. The Chiefs tried to throw early on half of its 1st half series and that didn't work either.

Was it a great gameplan? No

Was it executed well? No

The players deserve as much of the blame as Herm.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playby...0070106_KC@IND

2nd series

1-10-KC17 (8:34) T.Green pass short right to T.Gonzalez to KC 21 for 4 yards (N.Harper, C.June).
2-6-KC21 (7:57) L.Johnson up the middle to KC 22 for 1 yard (A.McFarland, G.Brackett).
3-5-KC22 (7:18) T.Green pass incomplete short left to E.Kennison.
4-5-KC22 (7:13) D.Colquitt punts 47 yards to IND 31, Center-K.Gammon, out of bounds.

5th series

1-10-KC14 (6:23) T.Green pass incomplete short left to T.Gonzalez.
2-10-KC14 (6:18) D.Hall right end to KC 22 for 8 yards (M.Jackson).
3-2-KC22 (5:34) T.Green pass incomplete short right to D.Hall.
4-2-KC22 (5:27) D.Colquitt punts 66 yards to IND 12, Center-K.Gammon. T.Wilkins to IND 31 for 19 yards (K.Fox).

6th series

1-10-KC14 (1:40) T.Green pass incomplete short right to T.Gonzalez (G.Brackett).
2-10-KC14 (1:35) (Shotgun) L.Johnson up the middle to KC 18 for 4 yards (R.Mathis, C.June).
3-6-KC18 (1:13) (Shotgun) T.Green pass short left to L.Johnson to KC 16 for -2 yards (Da.Reid).
4-8-KC16 (1:03) D.Colquitt punts 54 yards to IND 30, Center-K.Gammon. T.Wilkins to IND 35 for 5 yards (W.Kershaw).

htismaqe 02-19-2007 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
It worked when they got behind by more than 2 scores late in the 3rd quarter(they were still in the base defense until the Chiefs spread them out)..they had Gonzalez running routes instead of blocking and the Chiefs went right down the field..and..if you supposedly can't block these guys head on(which I've heard hundreds of times),why run right into a 9 man wall?We all know that didn't work.

They went right down the field because it was garbage time and the game was already in hand...Indy was in a soft zone defense.

Gonzo was running routes in the FIRST quarter, but nobody could hang on to the damn ball.

Baby Lee 02-19-2007 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC
Mike Martz.....


Wait they have both coached in superbowls....


Why hasnt Marty and Herm?

They didn't get to run teams that finally took advantage of a decade of teh suckage and multiple top 5 draft picks.
Could you imagine if Marty had the benefit of 10-12 DTs and TGs?

Torry Holt, Dre Bly, Grant Wistrom, Robert Holcombe, Leonard Little, Az Hakim, Orlando Pace, Eddie Kennison, Ernie Conwell, Kevin Carter, Wayne Gandy, Isaac Bruce. Not to mention getting a disgruntled Marshall Faulk for next to nothing.

Compare that to DV's draft history with the Chiefs.

2112 02-19-2007 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
It wasn't just run, run, pass, punt like everyone makes it out to be. The Chiefs tried to throw early on half of its 1st half series and that didn't work either.

Was it a great gameplan? No

Was it executed well? No

The players deserve as much of the blame as Herm.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playby...0070106_KC@IND

2nd series

1-10-KC17 (8:34) T.Green pass short right to T.Gonzalez to KC 21 for 4 yards (N.Harper, C.June).
2-6-KC21 (7:57) L.Johnson up the middle to KC 22 for 1 yard (A.McFarland, G.Brackett).
3-5-KC22 (7:18) T.Green pass incomplete short left to E.Kennison.
4-5-KC22 (7:13) D.Colquitt punts 47 yards to IND 31, Center-K.Gammon, out of bounds.

5th series

1-10-KC14 (6:23) T.Green pass incomplete short left to T.Gonzalez.
2-10-KC14 (6:18) D.Hall right end to KC 22 for 8 yards (M.Jackson).
3-2-KC22 (5:34) T.Green pass incomplete short right to D.Hall.
4-2-KC22 (5:27) D.Colquitt punts 66 yards to IND 12, Center-K.Gammon. T.Wilkins to IND 31 for 19 yards (K.Fox).

6th series

1-10-KC14 (1:40) T.Green pass incomplete short right to T.Gonzalez (G.Brackett).
2-10-KC14 (1:35) (Shotgun) L.Johnson up the middle to KC 18 for 4 yards (R.Mathis, C.June).
3-6-KC18 (1:13) (Shotgun) T.Green pass short left to L.Johnson to KC 16 for -2 yards (Da.Reid).
4-8-KC16 (1:03) D.Colquitt punts 54 yards to IND 30, Center-K.Gammon. T.Wilkins to IND 35 for 5 yards (W.Kershaw).

OK..we will have to agree to disagree..I still think they were being predictable..but..I don't want to hijack this thread anymore.

htismaqe 02-19-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells
OK..we will have to agree to disagree..I still think they were being predictable..but..I don't want to hijack this thread anymore.

You're not wrong.

The problem is that the coaches didn't START the game being predictable. They started the game by trying to do some things and the players couldn't execute.

If you want to blame Herm for something, blame him for buckling and crawling into a shell when things weren't working. But he TRIED to give it a shot and the bums we put out there on the field weren't up to it.

Buck 02-19-2007 04:09 PM

I was impressed by Norv's press conference.

kcxiv 02-19-2007 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
You're not wrong.

The problem is that the coaches didn't START the game being predictable. They started the game by trying to do some things and the players couldn't execute.

If you want to blame Herm for something, blame him for buckling and crawling into a shell when things weren't working. But he TRIED to give it a shot and the bums we put out there on the field weren't up to it.

yup, exactly.

2112 02-19-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
You're not wrong.

The problem is that the coaches didn't START the game being predictable. They started the game by trying to do some things and the players couldn't execute.

If you want to blame Herm for something, blame him for buckling and crawling into a shell when things weren't working. But he TRIED to give it a shot and the bums we put out there on the field weren't up to it.

That's a good point,well said.

Buck 02-19-2007 04:15 PM

Nobody is mentioning that Norv mentored Cam Cameron and they run the same offense. Also Ted Cottrell was mentored by Wade Phillips (or vice versa not sure which one) and they have the same defensive playbook.

dirk digler 02-19-2007 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding
Nobody is mentioning that Norv mentored Cam Cameron and they run the same offense. Also Ted Cottrell was mentored by Wade Phillips (or vice versa not sure which one) and they have the same defensive playbook.

LMAO

Norv is a total failure as a head coach. He is a very good OC but that is it.


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