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Slick32 04-29-2007 07:03 AM

If we give up Green for a fourth we still lose.

Trent is better than a fourth round pick, and it is still my opinion that he is better than the two QB's we have on the roster (that really count).

htismaqe 04-29-2007 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick32
If we give up Green for a fourth we still lose.

Trent is better than a fourth round pick, and it is still my opinion that he is better than the two QB's we have on the roster (that really count).

Is he worth being the highest-paid player on the team?

suds79 04-29-2007 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick32
If we give up Green for a fourth we still lose.

Trent is better than a fourth round pick, and it is still my opinion that he is better than the two QB's we have on the roster (that really count).

Well I disagree that post concussion Trent is better than the other two guys we have on the roster but lets say you're right in that Trent is better.

How much longer could he being better last? The guy is down to about 2 years left in the league. Who knows what level he will be at?

I'd rather take a chance on a 4th or 5th round pick to bring in a 23 year old guy who could help us in the future.

Micjones 04-29-2007 07:18 AM

Let's hope we get the 4th...

There's a lot of talent to be had in that round still.

Chief Roundup 04-29-2007 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch
THERE IS NO NEED TO TRADE FOR GREEN.

They have a vet on roster and youth to learn under him now.

There is no longer a need to even look at Green as a free agent. None.

I'd love to pawn off his inflated salary too but that train has left the station...

They have a vet on thier roster in Culpepper who is injured and won't be ready until 2 or 3 weeks into the season at the earliest.
I don't know how you can say that there is no need to trade for Green. The Air Coryell offense is the most complicated offense run in the NFL!!! There is no way that Culpepper, Lemon, or Beck will ever figure it out in thier first or even 2cd year. If the Dolphins want to win NOW which is what they are built for, thier defense is OLD, they NEED Green.

IF THE DOLPHINS WANT A TOP 5 PICK NEXT YEAR THEN THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE THIS TRADE.

StcChief 04-29-2007 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Then the ONLY way Green goes short of a 4th round pick....is a 2nd or 3rd NEXT year. :harumph:

:)

Yeah. I was thinking the same. We have done well this year. A 4th would be nice. I'd settle for a 2nd/3rd next year. Miami will be a .500 team or less again.

milkman 04-29-2007 07:37 AM

If I'm Carl Peterson, I don't trade Green for anything less than a 4th.

If I'm Randy Mueller, I don't go any higher than a 6th, and that only because my new HC wants him.

Fortunately for us, I'm not Mueller.

milkman 04-29-2007 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup
They have a vet on thier roster in Culpepper who is injured and won't be ready until 2 or 3 weeks into the season at the earliest.
I don't know how you can say that there is no need to trade for Green. The Air Coryell offense is the most complicated offense run in the NFL!!! There is no way that Culpepper, Lemon, or Beck will ever figure it out in thier first or even 2cd year. If the Dolphins want to win NOW which is what they are built for, thier defense is OLD, they NEED Green.

IF THE DOLPHINS WANT A TOP 5 PICK NEXT YEAR THEN THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE THIS TRADE.

The Dolphins are built to win now in much the same way the Chiefs were built to win during Dick's era, which is to say that they aren't really built to win at all.

They can't compete with the elite teams in the AFC, or even in their division.

With Trent they might finish ahead of the Jets in their division, although I think even that is unlikely.
They certainly won't win the division over the Pats.

Even if they finish second in the division and find themselves in the playoffs, they will not advance.

If the Dolphins want to achieve that same medicrity level that the Chiefs have been stuck in for 18 years, THEY NEED GREEN.

If they want to build a team that actually has a chance to compete in the next couple of years, thay have no need for Green at all.

To me, trading for Green, regardless of compensation, is non productive and short sighted on the Dolphins part.

el borracho 04-29-2007 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman
The Dolphins are built to win now in much the same way the Chiefs were built to win during Dick's era, which is to say that they aren't really built to win at all.

They can't compete with the elite teams in the AFC, or even in their division.

With Trent they might finish ahead of the Jets in their division, although I think even that is unlikely.
They certainly won't win the division over the Pats.

Even if they finish second in the division and find themselves in the playoffs, they will not advance.

If the Dolphins want to achieve that same medicrity level that the Chiefs have been stuck in for 18 years, THEY NEED GREEN.

If they want to build a team that actually has a chance to compete in the next couple of years, thay have no need for Green at all.

To me, trading for Green, regardless of compensation, is non productive and short sighted on the Dolphins part.

Ok, well maybe we can trade them Huard. ;)

Mr. Kotter 04-29-2007 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman
The Dolphins are built to win now in much the same way the Chiefs were built to win during Dick's era, which is to say that they aren't really built to win at all.

They can't compete with the elite teams in the AFC, or even in their division.

With Trent they might finish ahead of the Jets in their division, although I think even that is unlikely.
They certainly won't win the division over the Pats.

Even if they finish second in the division and find themselves in the playoffs, they will not advance.

If the Dolphins want to achieve that same medicrity level that the Chiefs have been stuck in for 18 years, THEY NEED GREEN.

If they want to build a team that actually has a chance to compete in the next couple of years, thay have no need for Green at all.

To me, trading for Green, regardless of compensation, is non productive and short sighted on the Dolphins part.

Pretty much right on...which is why I expect Miami to do it.

Well, we'll know soon enough.

OnTheWarpath15 04-29-2007 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Pretty much right on...which is why I expect Miami to do it.

Well, we'll know soon enough.

Yeah, really soon.

The draft resumes in a half hour, and Miami will be on the clock shortly after that....

Mr. Kotter 04-29-2007 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
Yeah, really soon.

The draft resumes in a half hour, and Miami will be on the clock shortly after that....

Although, I could still see a later deal....for conditional picks from next year. :hmmm:

blueballs 04-29-2007 08:53 AM

Gammon was also a big part of making the Chiefs
the oldest team in the nfl -we need a long snapper

milkman 04-29-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Although, I could still see a later deal....for conditional picks from next year. :hmmm:

According to NewChief, the deal is done.

They are just waiting until today to report it.

Slick32 04-29-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Is he worth being the highest-paid player on the team?

That is one of those "it depends" statements. IF he plays like I think he can this year the answer is yes. IF he doesn't then you also know what the answer to that is.

The biggest problem that I see is that we have a known quality QB in Green. Huard is adequate but I don't think he should be considered better than Green in any case. Croyle is the total unknown quantity. He could step in and be the next Joe Montana, but then he could step in and be the next KC QB that does nothing and is out of the league the next year.

There was an article in the KC Star yesterday by Pos, it was good and CP pointed out some of the aspects of Green that is overlooked. You should look it up and read it.

As far as the salary goes, the very bottom line is that KC wanted to hook TG up for an extended period and offered him the contract, he accepted and from what you see in the papers Green is standing by his side of the contract. He has been at all of the off season workouts even with the possibility of a trade looming in his future.


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