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TEX 08-26-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
Where did all this "mechanics" crap come from?

I know the coaching staff hasn't said a word about his mechanics being poor. He comes over the top with the ball, and has a lightning quick release.

The whole "throwing off his back foot" shit is completely overblown.

Every starting QB in the NFL this year will throw off his back foot at some time, if not multiple times during the year.

Period.

Jesus Christ....Brett Favre made a LIVING out of it.

And they were no more READY than Croyle. You have to PLAY to have that questioned answered.

Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

the Talking Can 08-26-2007 02:02 PM

"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"Croyle will gain experience by not playing"

"add cream to a butter sauce to keep it from breaking"

TEX 08-26-2007 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
Explain to me what

Pollard
Page
Svitek
our Right T (pick one)
or our #2 WR (pick one)

has done to earn a job.

Don't forget Medlock...

TEX 08-26-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
ROFL

Carl is making you reeruned

What's your excuse? Denile?

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz
Tom Brady came in and lit it up right away.

In the REGULAR SEASON.

In the preseason, he didn't "show enough" to start over Drew Bledsoe.

Even outstanding coaching staffs can make mistakes.

Dr. Johnny Fever 08-26-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX
Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was the worst play I've even seen a QB make. No pressure on him... no one in his face... wide open WR... so he falls back and throws it right to the DB. Yea, he's ready.

Hydrae 08-26-2007 02:04 PM

I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs.

The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it.

There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.

the Talking Can 08-26-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX
What's your excuse? Denile?

danilo?

my excuse is I hate 9-7

you have no excuse

Hydrae 08-26-2007 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX
Don't forget Medlock...


Don't even get me started on Medlock. I see nothing to show me that he is any better than Tynes.

Skip Towne 08-26-2007 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz
Atleast Printers has some physical skills. I can't point to one thing other than the arm that brodie has. Can't escape the pocket, has to find lanes to throw because he is so short, and is injury prone.

Short? Croyle is 6'3".

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2007 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX
Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was ONE throw. You act like this is a regular occurance. It's not.

You're looking for something that isn't there.

He's made 2 bad throws off his back foot.

Otherwise, he's stepping into the throw and firing it.

Dr. Johnny Fever 08-26-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
"win now"

"window of opportunity"

"Croyle will gain experience by not playing"

"add cream to a butter sauce to keep it from breaking"

A. Who said this team is going to win now?

B. The window has closed for the time being no matter who the QB is.

C. At least he can learn that dreaded "mechanics" word in practice and continue trying to EARN the job

D. I'll have a salad

cdcox 08-26-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX
Yeah, but Brodie throws off it far too often and it usuallu leads to disaster. How would you explain his "happy feet" - sling -motion-throws - off his back foot when he has plenty of time to throw? I'd say poor mechanics is accurate. Just go back and watch the throw he made against the fins that was picked in the endzone. It was aweful.

That was one pass and that is the only one anyone has named when they say he "throws off his back foot". One pass.

Misreading the defense caused that INT. He should not have even thrown that ball in that direction. It was a bad decision more than bad mechanics. If the read was right (man to man where the WR had beaten his man) that is a TD, even off his back foot.

OnTheWarpath15 08-26-2007 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae
I am surprised. I have been reading a few of the Huard/Croyle threads here today and I have yet to see one person point out what I feel is the biggest issue for Croyle at this point in time. Namely, the speed of the game. It looks to me like he still has not caught up to the speed at this level and the game is moving quickly around him. This will always lead to bad decisions and the attendant issues such as INTs.

The only way this issue gets resolved is playing in the games. Practice can not simulate gametime situations, game film can not give you a feel for how many more microseconds you have to get rid of the ball before getting smacked. Again, the only way to get the game on the field to slow down for you is to experience it.

There is no way to know when this transition will occur either. One day, in the middle of a game most likely, it will kick in. Then we will truely see what this young man is capable of at this level. But sitting on the bench will never allow his brain to make the needed transition that will lead to possible greatness.

Thank you.

That is the point I've been trying to make with my comments about there being no substitute for game experience. I just did a bad job getting my point across.

That comment has been stuck in my head, ever since a SB MVP mentioned it to me at a charity event.

Dr. Johnny Fever 08-26-2007 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
danilo?

my excuse is I hate 9-7

you have no excuse

It'll be 7-9 at best anyway.


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